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  1. helmutRoole said:

    Vino -- everyone likes him for his attacking style at the Tour last year, but if you're going to ride like an idiot within a structured team, it's only going to get worse when you're calling the shots. Vino, as a Tour rider, is way over rated.

    I did like watching him race though. Old boy went on the attack like he could give a damn.


    i wouldn't necessarily call getting a podium spot in 2003 and a top 5 finish in 2005 as being overrated, though if he controlled himself he could probably do a better ride. i doubt that is the way he would have done things anyway. he will be back next year and hopefully i will find a way to see him tear things up while i am over there.

  2. helmutRoole said:

    Landis rode poorly at Dauphine because he was down a litre of blood. That's all taken care of now.

    Also, does it seem wierd to anyone else that all the riders in the Tour are right at the 50 percent hematocrit allowance?

    How can he be down a litre of blood? If he'd lost it rapidly he would have been unable to continue racing. If he'd lost it slowly the body would have made up the blood volume as it was lost.

    Are you suggesting he was down from his usual "extra blood" that he gets from certain doctor?

    If so excuse me for not recognising your sarcasm. It was very good.

  3. rejobako said:

    You want to make a friendly wager that he'll finish out of the top 10? I don't think he'll get on the podium, but I'll take that bet.

    Thats a fair challenge considering my post. What's at stake? Me stating that Lance Armstrong never doped and was the greatest rider to ever turn a pedal? (that's if you win). What are you willing to risk rejo?

    Raise the stakes if you wish. It will be a week before I can reply so don't get impatient.

  4. mitosis said:

    Thats a fair challenge considering my post. What's at stake? Me stating that Lance Armstrong never doped and was the greatest rider to ever turn a pedal? (that's if you win). What are you willing to risk rejo?

    Raise the stakes if you wish. It will be a week before I can reply so don't get impatient.

    Well, I don't know that Lance never doped, and I don't think he was the greatest rider ever. How about if Hincapie finishes top 10, you add a sig to all your posts for a month: "Mitosis -- George Hincapie's [censored]".

    I'll do something similarly demeaning 😉 , but you'll have to let me know. I'll even flame Armstrong if you like, but that won't be anything new on this forum. 😎

    Of course, our bet is contingent upon a cyber-handshake confirming the stakes before Hincapie rides off a mountain or something.

  5. Hypothetical: Georgie goes off on an early break with some non-GC-contenders on the first mountain stage.

    Do Phonak, Gerolsteiner, CSC, and EE chase him or let him go?

  6. DiabloScott said:

    Hypothetical: Georgie goes off on an early break with some non-GC-contenders on the first mountain stage.

    Do Phonak, Gerolsteiner, CSC, and EE chase him or let him go?


    Chase him, they have to...unless he completely falls apart in the time trial.

  7. DiabloScott said:

    Hypothetical: Georgie goes off on an early break with some non-GC-contenders on the first mountain stage.

    Do Phonak, Gerolsteiner, CSC, and EE chase him or let him go?

    My guess is that George has been marked and that they'll be obligated to chase him. To me the question is whether or not it would really be necessary for them to chase Hincapie.

  8. DiabloScott said:

    Hypothetical: Georgie goes off on an early break with some non-GC-contenders on the first mountain stage.

    Do Phonak, Gerolsteiner, CSC, and EE chase him or let him go?

    I posted my opinion before somewhere that he will not be let go. I can't remember which thread, damned old age.

  9. meehs said:

    My guess is that George has been marked and that they'll be obligated to chase him. To me the question is whether or not it would really be necessary for them to chase Hincapie.


    Presuming he has a good time trial tomorrow, they'd be crazy to let him go on the first mountain stage. He has been around a long time, but this is the first year he's trained for the purpose of being a GC contender in a grand tour. No one really knows what he's capable of. He's no Armstrong, Basso, or Ullrich, of course, but in this field, he's as dangerous as any. If the other teams presume he's not up to the task and he manages to gain significant time, he would then have a significant advantage. Other riders will have to find a way to reciprocate, and I think most would agree it's easier to follow an ascent attack than to successfully achieve one as a marked rider.

  10. rejobako said:

    Presuming he has a good time trial tomorrow, they'd be crazy to let him go on the first mountain stage. He has been around a long time, but this is the first year he's trained for the purpose of being a GC contender in a grand tour. No one really knows what he's capable of. He's no Armstrong, Basso, or Ullrich, of course, but in this field, he's as dangerous as any. If the other teams presume he's not up to the task and he manages to gain significant time, he would then have a significant advantage. Other riders will have to find a way to reciprocate, and I think most would agree it's easier to follow an ascent attack than to successfully achieve one as a marked rider.

    Very good points rejobako. I think you're right.

  11. DiabloScott said:

    Hypothetical: Georgie goes off on an early break with some non-GC-contenders on the first mountain stage.

    Do Phonak, Gerolsteiner, CSC, and EE chase him or let him go?


    No, thats why they will send off Savoldelli or were going to semd Martinez until he crashed. The favorites mow know George can get up the mountains just fine, I mean he wont beat Mayo if Mayo is on form.

    I think Disco will definitely put a guy in the break in the first Pyrenees stage so they dont have to chase and make Phonak chase or someone else.

    Then the next day put Azevedo in the break. He can climb and stay away. What CSC use to do with Sastre keeping Basso in the pack.

  12. bobke said:

    No, thats why they will send off Savoldelli or were going to semd Martinez until he crashed. The favorites mow know George can get up the mountains just fine, I mean he wont beat Mayo if Mayo is on form.

    I think Disco will definitely put a guy in the break in the first Pyrenees stage so they dont have to chase and make Phonak chase or someone else.

    Then the next day put Azevedo in the break. He can climb and stay away. What CSC use to do with Sastre keeping Basso in the pack.

    Agree completely that Disco will/should launch someone other than George (possibly a higher up GC guy - Savo, Popo, Ace, Martinez) come the mtn stages. It seems like a win/win for the team. If they don't catch the break, then a Disco rider gains time/possibly jersey. If they do catch the break, as stated, the opposing teams use energy to reel in the break.
    I hope that Disco is willing to let another rider, other than George, win if the cards play out accordingly. I really think that their multi-pronged leadership can work to success now that a few of the dominant rivals are out.

    Thoughts?

  13. cPritch67 said:

    Agree completely that Disco will/should launch someone other than George (possibly a higher up GC guy - Savo, Popo, Ace, Martinez) come the mtn stages. It seems like a win/win for the team. If they don't catch the break, then a Disco rider gains time/possibly jersey. If they do catch the break, as stated, the opposing teams use energy to reel in the break.
    I hope that Disco is willing to let another rider, other than George, win if the cards play out accordingly. I really think that there multi pronged leadership can work to success now that a few of the dominant rivals are out.

    Thoughts?

    I also hope they don't make someone (Savo, Popo, Ace) wait and pace a rider up the mtn, unless everyone else on the team is way back on GC and it is to salvage a podium spot.
    Not sure if that did or didn't happen with Danielson for Savo at the Giro. I believe that it did at the beginning but that in the end TD fried (prior to dropping out).

  14. cPritch67 said:


    I hope that Disco is willing to let another rider, other than George, win if the cards play out accordingly. I really think that there multi pronged leadership can work to success now that a few of the dominant rivals are out.

    Thoughts?

    In an idealized world, where all members of the team are truly dedicated to winning as a team, and it does not matter which individual rider end up in front at the end, yes.

    In our world, I have to wonder about the level of cooperation and the expectation of support by various individual riders. How do they end up scaling back expectations of all the riders but one? Can they scale back those expectations sufficiently early that the remaining chosen one gets full support for the early mountiain stages? How does the team ride, say, if we get to the last week and GH and Azevedo are similarly placed on GC and all those big climbs are coming?

  15. cPritch67 said:

    Agree completely that Disco will/should launch someone other than George (possibly a higher up GC guy - Savo, Popo, Ace, Martinez) come the mtn stages. It seems like a win/win for the team. If they don't catch the break, then a Disco rider gains time/possibly jersey. If they do catch the break, as stated, the opposing teams use energy to reel in the break.
    I hope that Disco is willing to let another rider, other than George, win if the cards play out accordingly. I really think that their multi-pronged leadership can work to success now that a few of the dominant rivals are out.

    Thoughts?

    I think Bruyneel might think, the rest of the peloton thinks, George can't possibly be the GC guy. I think having four "maybes" as GC might be better than having a clear leader in this race given the field as we now have it.

    BTW, Danielson is 2nd on GC in Austria... course the field isn't nearly as strong there.

  16. DiabloScott said:

    I think Bruyneel might think, the rest of the peloton thinks, George can't possibly be the GC guy. I think having four "maybes" as GC might be better than having a clear leader in this race given the field as we now have it.

    BTW, Danielson is 2nd on GC in Austria... course the field isn't nearly as strong there.

    Big ITT for Tommy D tomorrow as well. He needs to pull back 56 seconds to take the lead.

  17. DiabloScott said:

    I think Bruyneel might think, the rest of the peloton thinks, George can't possibly be the GC guy. I think having four "maybes" as GC might be better than having a clear leader in this race given the field as we now have it.

    BTW, Danielson is 2nd on GC in Austria... course the field isn't nearly as strong there.


    Bruyneel agrees with you, Chris Carmichael sez;

    Bruyneel, who could be sitting pretty with up to four riders in the top 20 tomorrow afternoon, is confident his Discovery Channel team will be in a good position to apply pressure to the yellow jersey, or defend it if necessary.

    When the race finally does make it to the mountains, Bruyneel believes it will be crucial to have as many riders as possible with a team leader late in the stage. There are a few stages where the distance between major climbs, and/or the distance from the summit of the final climb to the finish, is quite long. It’s in these areas where having four to five strong teammates can be the key to either defending the yellow jersey or wearing down the rider who’s wearing it. The Discovery Channel’s potential strength may come in the form of being able to send Hincapie, Paolo Savoldelli, Yaroslav Popovych, Jose Azevedo, or Jose Luis Rubiera up the road in repeated moves. Each one could be close enough to the yellow jersey that he has to be chased down, and there’s only so many times the man in the yellow jersey will be up to the task.

  18. cPritch67 said:


    I hope that Disco is willing to let another rider, other than George, win if the cards play out accordingly. I really think that their multi-pronged leadership can work to success now that a few of the dominant rivals are out.

    Thoughts?

    I would assume that if GH does not cut it and another rider does, JB won't hesitate to designate someone else as a team leader.

    But, I hope Hincapie is going to really surprise us and the GC.

  19. He certainly didn't support his cause today...

    *Dammit*

  20. Yeah, the Disco performance was a little disappointing today. All is not lost yet, but they do have their work cut out for them.

    Tour of Austria update:
    Tommy D finishes TT in 3rd.

    Takes overall GC lead by 16 seconds.

    I believe there is one more stage tomorrow - have no clue on the route though.

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