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Coley's toxins

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  1. "Mark Probert-March 20, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
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    I have followed the discussion on Coley's toxin and was
    impressed that it remained on track for as long as it did.

    It seems to be a limited value treatment in the sense that
    you are tied to it with a ball and chain. However, I
    wonder if the mechanism by which it works has ever been
    studied, so the effect can be better predicted, and
    posibly the patiient wouldnot have to be so restricted.

    It probably hasn't been studied with sufficient
    intensity. Why?

    I lived through some of this. Coleys' toxins may not have
    been explored further partly because of inconsistent results
    but also because in the fifties and sixties there was a
    feeling within medicine that the "magic bullet" needed to
    conquer cancer might be just around the corner.

    We were riding high on the successes of antibiotics and
    immunisation etc conquering tuberculosis, polio and smallpox
    and other illnesses which once killed or crippled at least
    as many as cancer does today.

    Spectacular results with cancer (compared to the previous)
    were being obtained with ever-improving surgery and the new
    chemotherapeutic agents that were emerging all the time.
    Warburg had recently won his Nobel prize for what was the
    first ever finding of a biochemical difference between
    cancer and normal cells (a greater reliance on anaerobic
    energy pathways -- now known to be a red herring, but
    preserved forever in alt.med lore). Radiotherapy was
    evolving into a method that could alone cure certain types
    of cancer that were not amenable to surgery .

    It is understandable that any method that was not producing
    high cure rates would get scant attention when a more final
    answer seemed to be just around the corner. Everyone was
    looking to the new, not the old. This is partly or even
    wholly why there was little interest in what are now called
    alternative modalties, producing much resentment within
    those who like to believe on slender grounds that they hold
    the answers we are all looking for.. There never was any
    conspiracy, just the need for solid enough results to
    attract attention in the medical environement of the times..

    Now that progress in cancer treatment has slowed, that
    environment has changed. Researchers have scattered, looking
    for the next major breakthrough. A lot more work being
    performed on the sophisticated immunology of cancer, and new
    physical methods such as radiofrequency currents,
    hyperthermia etc are being explored. There has even been a
    great deal more research into the "alternatives". Money is
    readily available for ANYONE who thinks they have a useful
    treatment, with a rather disappointiing take-up of the offer
    within "alternative" cancer practice.

    Perhaps Coley's toxins will be looked at further. But it is
    interesting to note that many common chemotherapeutic agents
    ARE bacterial oxins ---Doxorubicin, Bleomycin and Mitomycin
    C are the toxins of various strains of streptococci for
    example. Many others are toxins produced by other vegetative
    organisms i.e. plants eg the Vinca alkaloids and Taxol..
    Very "natural", even.

    Peter Moran

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