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Carl Lempke's Lies.

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  1. Lempke posted:

    "...Butter and lard are saturated fats."

    amongst other nonsense.

    Sounds like the usual establishment nonsense. Problem is, they can't even get their stories
    straight. Go to the USDA's web site, at nal.usda.govnut search.pl and
    you'll see that lard is about 39% saturated, the rest is unsaturated, so why does everyone call it
    saturated? And if it is so unsaturated, and hundreds of studies show how susceptible unsaturated
    fats are to oxidation in vivo (in your body), then isn't it more likely that the it's the
    unsaturated fatty acids that are causing the problems? Braganza and many other top-notch scientists
    have demonstrated (go to www.pubmed.com and search for yourself) how free radicals are at the core
    of "chronic diseases," but the media mouthpieces who represent interests such as the unsaturated
    "edible" oil companies have their own agendas. Mary Enig, the foremost fatty acid researcher over
    the last few decades has even noted that some author of diet/health books have been told by their
    publishers that they must advocate using canola oil, an incredibly dangerous oil, or else their
    books won't get published. You've mad the first big step by coming to this newsgroup. Now step out
    of your pod, Neo, and look around. It's the oxidized cholesterol, unsaturated fatty acids, and high
    iron content that are doing the most damage to you (and the iron might not be that bad if the
    unsaturated fatty acids were not a problem, since it couldn't react much if your body is packed with
    saturated fatty acids, as I've tried to do to mine over the last few years).

    Beef tallow is less than half saturated, but with what animals are being fed these days, don't be
    surprised if the unsaturated fatty acid content is higher than what the USDA lists, though it will
    vary a bit naturally.

    Lempke also posted:

    "Polyunsaturated fat: A fat made of polyunsaturated fatty acids. Safflower oil and corn oil are
    polyunsaturated fats. Polyunsaturated fats tend to lower levels of both HDL-cholesterol and
    LDL-cholesterol in the blood."

    Low cholesterol means a much higher risk of cancer. Read Thomas Moore's "Heart Failure" to get the
    whole story. Also, "The Cholesterol Conspiracy" is a must read if you want to see how contradictory
    and unscientific the "experts" you hear about in the media actually are. The worst oils, in general,
    are the polyunsaturated ones, but they are so cheap to produce that profit margins are huge,
    especially when they charge you more by marketing them as "essential oils" - the biggest scam in
    dietary history.

  2. nick said:

    Low cholesterol means a much higher risk of cancer. Read Thomas Moore's "Heart Failure" to get the
    whole story. Also, "The Cholesterol Conspiracy"

    The low cholesterol in cancer patients is a result of the cancer due to eating disorders making them
    eat much less, that is, most of the food is released undigested due to diarrhoea. and the
    correlation is only valid when cholesterol goes below 2.5. a normal value of 3.5-4.5 range is not
    correlated with any cancers.

    and, a certain fraction of PUFa is vital to health. Before you tell others to make them diseased
    from PUFa deficiency and lack of iron, you should rather try that on yourself. But, I warn you, you
    will first get very sleepy when lack of iron gives you a hb value below 11. and later you will get
    many sores in skin which may be cured by application of lard.

    But, by the way, I doubt seriously you will be able to make a diet for yourself completely devoid in
    iron and PUFa's in the US. Maybe if you move to India and live together with most poor people
    feeding completely on roots rich in linamarins and other CN-glycosides, you may perhaps get in the
    state wanted. But, it is your own decision to get seriously ill by malnutrition.

  3. Alf posted:

    "The low cholesterol in cancer patients is a result of the cancer due to eating disorders making
    them eat much less, that is, most of the food is released undigested due to diarrhoea... you will
    first get very sleepy when lack of iron gives you a hb value below
    11... But, by the way, I doubt seriously you will be able to make a diet for yourself completely
    devoid in iron and PUFa's in the US."

    It's great that you're such an expert, Alf, that you don't even need to quote any studies - too be
    we can't all be nutritional gods, such as yourself. For those of you normal folk, who are, however,
    independent thinkers, go to www.pubmed.com and look up Parasassi, for example, and you will learn
    how cholesterol (if it has not been oxidized) protects cells from free radical damage, which is the
    fundamental "cause" of "chronic disease." So there's more to it than Alf is noting here, and again,
    you can read Thomas Moore's book or do your own research. As far as the sores that come from
    "essential fatty acid deficiency," it was only when I cut out almost all PUFAs that a couple of skin
    problems I had cleared up! And I tried GLA, fish oil, flax oil, combination oils, and none worked.
    "Anemia" is just like "irritable bowel syndrome," "chronic fatigue syndrome," or "GERD," as
    examples. They are just labels placed on a group of symptoms so that doctors can prescribe a drug
    that will enrich pharaceutical companies and get you out of their offices so that they can treat as
    many patients as possible in a given period of time.

    Alf is right in that it is difficult in the West to be iron deficient, but that just furthers my
    point that iron is so dangerous (and the studies regarding iron, as "doe" in this newsgroup often
    posts, are clear and incontrovertible) - too many people have iron overload, not deficiency. So
    what is your point about iron, Alf? Do you know a lot of sleepy people in third world countries,
    and seek to discover a "cure" for them? However, regarding PUFAs - it is not essential to avoid
    them entirely, but to minimize consumption to the point where Mead acid will replace the highly
    unstable PUFA called arachidonic acid. If you were consuming a "traditional Mediterranean diet,"
    one in which your fat primarily came from goat or cow dairy, olives and olive oil, and small
    amounts of meat (free-range, we would say today), your body would have the Mead acid rather than
    arachidonic acid performing the crucial role in inflammatory situations. It gets technical,
    involving especially LtB4, but the idea that you should eat a "traditional Mediterranean diet," yet
    avoid saturated fatty acids is beyond ludicrous. Only people living right on the coasts and near
    rivers would (possibly) have eaten fairly large quantities of fish (and many of these would be low
    in fat anyway) - and with no modern PUFA oils, where would they have gotten their PUFAs from. Alf
    clearly has not studied anthropology, as I have, because in basic textbooks he would have learned
    that early humans used palm and coconut products as dietary staples, both very high in saturated
    fatty acids (coconut is about 92% saturated). The only traditional high PUFA diet was the Eskimo,
    and what a surprise - those who ate lots of fish usually died before age 40. When tested against
    normal Danish people (who mostly ate a lot more fish than Americans do, for example), the bleeding
    times for Eskimos was much higher, which is why so many died of minor blunt force traumas (internal
    bleeding). Yes Alf, I have been able to avoid most PUFAs. If not, tell me what I need to eliminate.
    My main sources of fat are unrefined coconut oil, butter, dark chocolate (73% cocoa mass), raw goat
    cheese, whey powder, and olives (only a couple a day). Am I "essential fatty acid deficient?" If
    so, I'm feeling better than ever, about 40 years old and thin as a rail, with no "chronic
    diseases," unlike my relatives and friends. My brother, several years younger, on a "junk food
    diet," has had his gallbladder removed and has various problems - irritable bowel, GERD, and needs
    to take (he thinks) SSRIs. He gets plenty of PUFAs in his diet. You'd probably say he needs more
    omega 3 PUFAs, but they are 5 times more susceptible to free radical degradation, though it is true
    that they counteract each other in certain ways - probably the body's way of dealing with
    substances that are so toxic. That is the only reason omega 3s "look good" in some studies, though
    when there is a long -term follow-up, which is rare, the omega 3 people often are found to have
    more problems than the controls - what a surprise!

    You can research "essential fatty acid deficiency" and you'll discover how many conditions are
    "cured" by avoiding PUFAs. Did you know that cartilidge have high levels of the Mead acid, but that
    as you get older, PUFAs take over, and arthritis eventually results? No, of course not. Guys like
    Alf think they know everything because they read something in a textbook. I know some of the people
    who wrote such textbooks, and some of them I would not trust with the health of the wild rabbits in
    my backyard.

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