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Cantilever Cable yoke

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  1. Hey all, I have just been having a bit of a read up on
    Sheldon Browns ideas on cantilever brakes. My set up is
    currently Avid Shorty 6 calipers and shimano ultegra levers.
    Am I better off using the shimano A or C type straddle wire,
    or would i be better off buying an old fashioned two piece
    yoke? Would the latter provide more scope for adjustment.

    (The brakes are currently off the bike, and I managed to
    totally f*** up the existing C wire the other day (see late
    night maintenance threead!)

    thoughts please...

  2. "David Waters" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hey all, I have just been having a bit of a read up on
    Sheldon Browns ideas on cantilever brakes. My set up is
    currently Avid Shorty 6 calipers and shimano ultegra
    levers. Am I better off using the shimano A or C type
    straddle wire, or would i be better off buying an old
    fashioned two piece yoke?

    Two piece yoke? Dunno what that is but I long ago fitted a
    one piece centre-pull type yoke to cantis. The benefit is,
    assuming no mudguards, that you can keep the straddle wire
    short which gives a less spongy feel to the brakes and
    probably increases mechanical advantage.
    --
    Regards, Pete

  3. "Peter B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    keep the straddle wire short which gives a less spongy
    feel to the brakes and probably increases mechanical
    advantage.

    On the contrary, a spongy feel indicates more mechanical
    advantage.

    High mechanical advantage means that when the pads have made
    contact with the rim if you continue to pull on the brake
    lever the force from you fingers is magnified sufficiently
    to compress the pads and bend the brake arms. This results
    in a spongy feel.

    Low mechanical advantage means that the force of your
    fingers is not
    magnified sufficiently to allow the pads to compress and
    arms to bend.
    So when the pads hit the rims you will be unable to pull
    the lever
    any further. This results in a firmer feel (but less
    braking force).

    Avid recommend using the longest stradle wire that will fit
    in the gap available avidbike.comShorty6&Ti
    0202.pdf

    Bruce

  4. "Bruce McAdam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Peter B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    Quoted message said:
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    keep the straddle wire short which gives a less spongy
    feel to the


    brakes and

    Quoted message said:
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    probably increases mechanical advantage.

    On the contrary, a spongy feel indicates more mechanical
    advantage.

    High mechanical advantage means that when the pads have
    made contact with the rim if you continue to pull on the
    brake lever the force from you fingers is magnified
    sufficiently to compress the pads and bend the brake arms.
    This results in a spongy feel.

    The sponginess may also be due to flex in the system which
    wastes effort. IME the most powerful brakes I've used, both
    cable and hydraulic, have the least sponginess.

    Quoted message said:

    Avid recommend using the longest stradle wire that will
    fit in the gap available avidbike.comShorty6&Ti
    0202.pdf

    But Avid also state: "A shorter straddle wire with a lower
    angle will feel softer at the lever <your point>, but has
    more leverage <my point>"

    So I'll concede I may be wrong about the sensation but not
    about the mechanical advantage ;-)
    --
    Regards, Pete

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    "Bruce McAdam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    On the contrary, a spongy feel indicates more mechanical
    advantage.

    Quoted message said:

    High mechanical advantage means that when the pads have
    made contact with the rim if you continue to pull on the
    brake lever the force from you fingers is magnified
    sufficiently to compress the pads and bend the brake
    arms. This results in a spongy feel.

    "Peter B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    The sponginess may also be due to flex in the system which
    wastes effort. IME the most powerful brakes I've used,
    both cable and hydraulic, have the least sponginess.

    You are not comparing like with like here. (You are
    comparing different brakes, rather than different
    configurations of the same brakes.)

    The source of the sponginess is due to the flex in the
    system. Given a choice between brakes with low flex and a
    brake with high flex go for the brakes with low flex --
    these will transfer more of the force from your fingers into
    the brakes and will feel less spongy. But when setting up
    the brakes, if you want higher mechanical advantage you will
    increase the sponginess.

    High mechanical advantage is not necessarily a good thing.
    It requires you to pull the lever further (and when the
    lever touches the handlebar you can't brake any harder). It
    puts additional stress on the cable clamp, which could make
    the cable slip (and when the cable slips your brakes become
    useless). Under exteme circumstances it could bend or damage
    the brakes, forks or rims.

    Bruce

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