Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?



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Peter Moran

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In addition to exposing one of the most egregious and dangerous of
alternative medical lies (what makes them do it?) it explains a bit about
five year survival rates, what is meant by cancer cure, and some other
matters.

Peter Moran
 
>Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
>From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
>Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id:
><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
>
>You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
>now.

Don't start with a page full of lies.

Anything Peter Moran writes comes from the brainwashing ilk of *orgnaized
medicine*.

Quack Quack.

Jan
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
> >From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
> >Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id:
>
><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au
>
> >
> >You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
> >now.
>
> Don't start with a page full of lies.

A vicious and uncalled for slur that says everything you need to know about
Jan Drew. Someone else can challenge her to put up or shut up. I find it
too demeaning to have to talk to such rubbish.

Peter Moran
 
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
> >From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
> >Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id:
>
><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au
>
> >
> >You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
> >now.
>
> Don't start with a page full of lies.
>
> Anything Peter Moran writes comes from the brainwashing ilk of *orgnaized
> medicine*.
>
> Quack Quack.

This has got to be one of Jan's most incredibly stupid responses.

Peter's treatise is well documented, and a testimony to careful reason,
considering that much of the referenced material is no longer available due
to the passage of time.

I note that it is the passage of time that the liars often rely upon to
discredit real medicine.
 
"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > >Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
> > >From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
> > >Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
> > >Message-id:
> >
>
><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au
> >
> > >
> > >You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start
studying
> > >now.
> >
> > Don't start with a page full of lies.
>
> A vicious and uncalled for slur that says everything you need to know
about
> Jan Drew. Someone else can challenge her to put up or shut up. I find it
> too demeaning to have to talk to such rubbish.

Calling Jan Drew rubbish is an insult to rubbish.
 
"Marciosos8 Probertiosos8" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> >Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
>> >From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
>> >Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
>> >Message-id:
>>
>><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au
>>
>> >
>> >You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start
studying
>> >now.
>>
>> Don't start with a page full of lies.
>>
>> Anything Peter Moran writes comes from the brainwashing ilk of
*orgnaized
>> medicine*.
>>
>> Quack Quack.
>
> This has got to be one of Jan's most incredibly stupid responses.
>
> Peter's treatise is well documented, and a testimony to careful reason,
> considering that much of the referenced material is no longer available
due
> to the passage of time.
>
> I note that it is the passage of time that the liars often rely upon to
> discredit real medicine.
>
>
>

The whole premise of alt med treatments accelerrating cancer makes sense.
Here you have someone who takes vitimins, health foods, herbs that
possible boosts everything and you expect the cancer to not grow? It is
like fertilizing the garden without pulling the weeds. The weeds are
going to grow bigger too.

r


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"Rich Andrews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Marciosos8 Probertiosos8" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> >
> > "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> >Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
> >> >From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
> >> >Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
> >> >Message-id:
> >>
> >><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
> 01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au
> >>
> >> >
> >> >You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start
> studying
> >> >now.
> >>
> >> Don't start with a page full of lies.
> >>
> >> Anything Peter Moran writes comes from the brainwashing ilk of
> *orgnaized
> >> medicine*.
> >>
> >> Quack Quack.
> >
> > This has got to be one of Jan's most incredibly stupid responses.
> >
> > Peter's treatise is well documented, and a testimony to careful reason,
> > considering that much of the referenced material is no longer available
> due
> > to the passage of time.
> >
> > I note that it is the passage of time that the liars often rely upon to
> > discredit real medicine.
> >
> >
> >
>
> The whole premise of alt med treatments accelerrating cancer makes sense.
> Here you have someone who takes vitimins, health foods, herbs that
> possible boosts everything and you expect the cancer to not grow? It is
> like fertilizing the garden without pulling the weeds. The weeds are
> going to grow bigger too.

So I learned my first year growing goodies in the backyard. The following
year I cleaned out the topsoil to 18", and replaced it with quality top
soil, mulch, etc, and hav enever had a problem since.
 
On 22 Dec 2003 05:26:59 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>>Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
>>From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
>>Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id:
>><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
>>
>>You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
>>now.
>
>Don't start with a page full of lies.
>
>Anything Peter Moran writes comes from the brainwashing ilk of *orgnaized
>medicine*.



>>>[email protected] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>>>> Your insult in noted.
>>>>
>>>> It is also a character weakness. Work on it.
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>
>>>
>>>>I have seen darn little in the way of civilized discussion.
>>>
>>>Jan
>
>>
>>On 19 Nov 2003 20:33:03 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>There is no need to make a post personal just because you disagree. We have
>>>far too much of this here.
>>
>
>
>Quack Quack.
>
>Jan

Poor Jan. May God have mercy on her soul for continuing to violate the
Commandments Thou Shalt Not Lie and Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance.
 
"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
> now.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/Hardin_Jones.html
>
>
>
> In addition to exposing one of the most egregious and dangerous of
> alternative medical lies (what makes them do it?) it explains a bit about
> five year survival rates, what is meant by cancer cure, and some other
> matters.

With Jan diverting the thread to a Jan thing...I forgot, but not for long.
to say:

Superb article, Peter. Clear, well written, and factual, within the confines
of your being able to document 50 year old studies, etc. You recognized the
limits of your research, and stated them clearly.

Excellent.

As I would expect from you.
 
>Subject: Re: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
>From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
>Date: 12/22/2003 2:03 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id:
><3fe6a563$0$891$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
>
>
>"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> >Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
>> >From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
>> >Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
>> >Message-id:
>>
>><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au
>>
>> >
>> >You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
>> >now.
>>
>> Don't start with a page full of lies.
>
>A vicious and uncalled for slur that says everything you need to know about
>Jan Drew.

Sorry, the truth isn't vicious, and we already know about Peter Moran, a sock
puppet liar for organized medicine. Paul Lee is the same.

>Someone else can challenge her to put up or shut up.

I've done that many times.

For starters both of you call CAM sCAM.

That's all one needs to know about either one of you.

>I find it
>too demeaning to have to talk to such rubbish.
>
>Peter Moran

Touche.

Jan
 
Rich Andrews <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> The whole premise of alt med treatments accelerrating cancer makes sense.
> Here you have someone who takes vitimins, health foods, herbs that
> possible boosts everything and you expect the cancer to not grow? It is
> like fertilizing the garden without pulling the weeds. The weeds are
> going to grow bigger too.
>

Why not get the alt cancer concept correct?

You may have a "natural" cancer. That is, a cancer that represents a
defensive action on the part of the body to prolong your miserable
life. A correct alt therapy will be highly effective. The
cut-burn-poison group represented by the oncologists may be 33%
effective initially, but you will have one hell of a time surviving
and you will probably be given a "treatment induced" cancer which will
show up in 5 to 10 years. All the cancer treatments provided by the
oncologists cause cancer don't you know? It is like fighting fire
with fire. Lots of laughs, huh?

You may have an "induced" cancer. That is, a cancer that has been
induced by exposure to a cancer causing agent such as radiation or
chemicals. An alt treatment may work and it may not without unusual
effort. The cut-burn-and poison group will fail miserably here and
kill most of their victims...I mean patients.

Dr C PhD.
 
On 22 Dec 2003 22:25:27 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>>Subject: Re: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
>>From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
>>Date: 12/22/2003 2:03 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id:
>><3fe6a563$0$891$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
>>
>>
>>"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> >Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?

>>A vicious and uncalled for slur that says everything you need to know about
>>Jan Drew.
>
>Sorry, the truth isn't vicious, and we already know about Peter Moran, a sock
>puppet liar for organized medicine.

>>>[email protected] (Jan) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>>>> Your insult in noted.
>>>>
>>>> It is also a character weakness. Work on it.
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>
>>>
>>>>I have seen darn little in the way of civilized discussion.
>>>
>>>Jan
>
>>
>>On 19 Nov 2003 20:33:03 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>There is no need to make a post personal just because you disagree. We have
>>>far too much of this here.
>>

The real sockpuppet is Jan Drew. She transfers her weaknesses to
others. Jan deliberately lied about her amalgam history to deceive
people into thinking that she really had mercury poisoning. She is a
sockpuppet and a shill. She is an unrepentant sinner who repeatedly
lies and bears false witness. May God have mercy on her soul.

Aloha,

Rich
------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance.
 
In <[email protected]>, Jan wrote:

>>Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
>>From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
>>Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id:
>><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
>>
>>You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
>>now.
>
> Don't start with a page full of lies.
>
> Anything Peter Moran writes comes from the brainwashing ilk of *orgnaized
> medicine*.

This thread is not about Peter Moran.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Jan) wrote:

> >Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
> >From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
> >Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id:
> ><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
> >
> >You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
> >now.
>
> Don't start with a page full of lies.

Time for a Ka-Ching $$, I would think...

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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
 
In article
<3fe6a563$0$891$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com
..au>,
"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > >Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
> > >From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
> > >Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
> > >Message-id:
> >
> ><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au
> >
> > >
> > >You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
> > >now.
> >
> > Don't start with a page full of lies.
>
> A vicious and uncalled for slur that says everything you need to know about
> Jan Drew. Someone else can challenge her to put up or shut up. I find it
> too demeaning to have to talk to such rubbish.

OK, I'll bite. I hereby challenge Jan to find a single "lie" in the
article Peter cited and to PROVE it's a lie.

--
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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
 
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Jan) wrote:

> >Subject: Re: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
> >From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
> >Date: 12/22/2003 2:03 AM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id:
> ><3fe6a563$0$891$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
> >
> >
> >"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >Subject: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
> >> >From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
> >> >Date: 12/21/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
> >> >Message-id:
> >>
> >><3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au
> >>
> >> >
> >> >You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
> >> >now.
> >>
> >> Don't start with a page full of lies.
> >
> >A vicious and uncalled for slur that says everything you need to know about
> >Jan Drew.
>
> Sorry, the truth isn't vicious, and we already know about Peter Moran, a sock
> puppet liar for organized medicine. Paul Lee is the same.

Jan, I challenge you to produce an example of a single "lie" Peter has
told and to PROVE it is a lie.


> >Someone else can challenge her to put up or shut up.
>
> I've done that many times.

********, Jan. You haven't done it once.

I challenge you to produce a single "lie" in the article Peter cited and
to PROVE it's a lie.

Watch her run and dodge, folks.

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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
 
"Mark ProbertDecember 21, 2002" <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
>
> "Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
news:3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> > You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
> > now.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/Hardin_Jones.html
> >
> >
> >
> > In addition to exposing one of the most egregious and dangerous of
> > alternative medical lies (what makes them do it?) it explains a bit
about
> > five year survival rates, what is meant by cancer cure, and some other
> > matters.
>
> With Jan diverting the thread to a Jan thing...I forgot, but not for long.
> to say:
>
> Superb article, Peter. Clear, well written, and factual, within the
confines
> of your being able to document 50 year old studies, etc. You recognized
the
> limits of your research, and stated them clearly.

Thanks.

Peter

>
 
>Subject: Re: Cancer treatment. Who can you believe?
>From: "Peter Moran" [email protected]
>Date: 12/23/2003 12:13 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id:
><3fe7dcfe$0$823$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
>
>
>"Mark ProbertDecember 21, 2002" <[email protected]> wrote
>in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>
>news:3fe672dd$0$815$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.
com.au...
>> > You may have to make up your mind one day who to trust. Start studying
>> > now.
>> >
>> > http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/Hardin_Jones.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In addition to exposing one of the most egregious and dangerous of
>> > alternative medical lies (what makes them do it?) it explains a bit
>about
>> > five year survival rates, what is meant by cancer cure, and some other
>> > matters.
>>
>> With Jan diverting the thread to a Jan thing...I forgot, but not for long.
>> to say:

No diversion, just pointing out the garbage from both Paul Lee and Peter.

>Superb article, Peter. Clear, well written, and factual,

Ye good ole boy and girl club, you lie and I'll swear to it.

Sad that.

Jan
 
[email protected] (drceephd) wrote in news:afd636a8.0312221642.79d29f2
@posting.google.com:

> Rich Andrews <[email protected]> wrote in message news:
<[email protected]>...
>>
>> The whole premise of alt med treatments accelerrating cancer makes
sense.
>> Here you have someone who takes vitimins, health foods, herbs that
>> possible boosts everything and you expect the cancer to not grow? It
is
>> like fertilizing the garden without pulling the weeds. The weeds are
>> going to grow bigger too.
>>
>
> Why not get the alt cancer concept correct?
>
> You may have a "natural" cancer. That is, a cancer that represents a
> defensive action on the part of the body to prolong your miserable
> life. A correct alt therapy will be highly effective. The
> cut-burn-poison group represented by the oncologists may be 33%
> effective initially, but you will have one hell of a time surviving
> and you will probably be given a "treatment induced" cancer which will
> show up in 5 to 10 years. All the cancer treatments provided by the
> oncologists cause cancer don't you know? It is like fighting fire
> with fire. Lots of laughs, huh?
>
> You may have an "induced" cancer. That is, a cancer that has been
> induced by exposure to a cancer causing agent such as radiation or
> chemicals. An alt treatment may work and it may not without unusual
> effort. The cut-burn-and poison group will fail miserably here and
> kill most of their victims...I mean patients.
>
> Dr C PhD.
>

As soon as you can show me the difference on a microscope slide the
difference between the two types and I will believe you.

If you want to see some truly amazing recovery rates, look at thyroid
cancer. A 95%+ long term cure rate is a heck of a lot better than any alt
treatment for just an enlarged thyroid.

Fighting fire with fire? WTF are you talking about? Your numbers are
lies. Your stance and posturing is lie based and your whole notion that
you have a degree is a blatent lie created by a deranged imagination.

"C", you are a lunatic and a dangerous one at that. Then again you might
just be yet another troll in a long line of trolls. In either case, STFU
as you have no clue.

r


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