Cache for Wild Camping

Tony Mc Donnell said:

Have you though that you're going to have to carry all the
empty tins and containers OUT ??

Yep. That's easy. Tins don't weigh much on their own and
compress well with the aid of a large rock.

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Leonard Trim said:

Some food was buried. Cans survived OK but anything else
was ripped open by mice/rats.

Even buried? That's why I thought of putting anything
fragile inside a biscuit tin.

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Jiffy said:

I'm planning a week long backpacking trip in the Highlands
in a couple of months and am thinking of placing a food
cache. I'll be putting the cache in place within a month
of the trip so it wouldn't be there for too long.

I doubt mine would be either, if I actually decided to do
it.

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You could also do this to store "emergency" food in a
remote area that you tend to visit a lot.

Too permanent.

But the key phrase there is "area that you tend to visit a
lot". I suspect that the definition of the word "emergency"
could be twisted sufficiently to give an excuse to dig up
the cash and enjoy a nice bit of nosh when one is feeling a
little peckish.

Besides, doesn't anyone ever store food in bothies or
mountain shelters for emergencies or is this not done?

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I'm concerned about any smells attracting badgers, deer,
foexes, etc so I'll probably make a big vacuum pack up so
it's all sealed inside. Any ideas on any smells that would
keep wild animals away?

No idea, but I think tinned food would be the simplest and
most practical all round.

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Paul Saunders said:

Andrew Gill said:

If you want to do some real wild camping, then get a book
about edible plants and cook them. You can also fish on
the way. It all depends on how long you are going to wild
camp for

No thanks, I think I'll stick with fake wild camping in the
pretend wilderness. I've got edible plant books but I
prefer to spend my time taking photos and playing with my
GPS rather than faffing around hunting and gathering.

Nice idea in principle, but I prefer "hi-tech" wild
camping ;-)

Paul

Everyone is entitled to camp the way the feel...some like to
take everything and the kitchen sink, but I prefer to rough
it (I do take some small tinned stuff and choc bars, rice
that sort or thing, in case of emergency). I have tried
camping with tents, but I prefer to go light (bivvy bag).
Anyway, for the length of time I go (the longest being 2
months), I would need a huge rucksack to pack all that stuff

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with either the seal in a tin or bury plain tins
options.

I would imagine there'd be some objection from the seal.
Wouldn't it be better to release it into a nearby lake?

Tinned seal is tasty enough. Plain tin is a bugger to
cook though.

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Paul Saunders said:

Quoted message said:

assuming I can write down the paces or bearings - not
easy on E&E exercises).

E&E?

Escape and evasion

There must be loads of rusty food hoards in the beacons
which will never be found c/o the regiment.

To me it's just a sophisticated form of litter because often
it simply will not be recovered.

AJH (still lurking for tips on a nice day around Ben Nevis)

Norman said:

An alternative would be to drop off a supply of "goodies"
and your camping coordinates at a local flying club. Then
ask them to make a low level pass dropping off your
supplies enroute.(this could be arranged as a navigation
exercise) The drop could be by home made parachute or in a
blue water-tight dry powder keg. You might even be able to
to talk the RAF into diverting a C130 Hercules under the
humanitarian relief guise. When you have finished camping
the keg could be buried and used for a future cache.

Good plan, but knowing the military, I bet they'd drop it in
the wrong spot...

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Quoted message said:

No idea, but I think tinned food would be the simplest and
most practical all round.

Ideal apart from the empty tin cans. Do you carry them out
or return another time to collect them?

Cheers, Jiffy

Andrew Gill said:

Everyone is entitled to camp the way the feel...some like
to take everything and the kitchen sink, but I prefer to
rough it

Don't get me wrong, I've tried the rough stuff. I've
been out there in the pouring rain sheltering in a
forest under a plastic sheet, and fire building is good
fun too. But sometimes I've got time for all that
"survival" stuff and sometimes I haven't. These days I
try to minimise the hassle.

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I have tried camping with tents, but I prefer to go light
(bivvy bag).

I've tried camping light but I've found that I get very
claustrophobic in a bivvy bag and it's no fun waking up in
the pouring rain and having to figure out how to get out of
the bag and into my waterproofs without getting myself and
my sleeping bag soaked in the process. And how to cook
breakfast inside a bivvy bag...

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Anyway, for the length of time I go (the longest being
2 months), I would need a huge rucksack to pack all
that stuff

That's a long time. Longest backpacking trip I've ever done
without a supply stop was 5 days (although I took 7 days
food so I could have lasted longer). Way too heavy on the
first couple of days though.

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Quoted message said:

Paul Saunders said:

Andrew Gill said:

If you want to do some real wild camping, then get a
book about edible plants and cook them. You can also
fish on the way. It all depends on how long you are
going to wild camp for

No thanks, I think I'll stick with fake wild camping in
the pretend wilderness. I've got edible plant books but I
prefer to spend my time taking photos and playing with my
GPS rather than faffing around hunting and gathering.

Nice idea in principle, but I prefer "hi-tech" wild
camping ;-)

Paul

Everyone is entitled to camp the way the feel...some like
to take everything and the kitchen sink, but I prefer to
rough it (I do take some small tinned stuff and choc bars,
rice that sort or thing, in case of emergency). I have
tried camping with tents, but I prefer to go light (bivvy
bag). Anyway, for the length of time I go (the longest
being 2 months), I would need a huge rucksack to pack all
that stuff

2 months in a bivvy? I'm truly impressed. I've bivvied out
twice The first time was a planned bivvy, the second time
was the result of some rather poor decision making on my
part. Neither was what you would call fun. In fact the
second time was a bit of an epic Yes, it was nice to be able
to look at the stars - I'll grant you that but otherwise I
was fairly miserable. I dont object to the confines of my
macpac microlite but I must be too claustrophobic to be
comfortable in a bivy.

simon

Quoted message said:

There must be loads of rusty food hoards in the beacons
which will never be found c/o the regiment.

Aha, perhaps I need to add a metal detector to my
outdoor kit?

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To me it's just a sophisticated form of litter because
often it simply will not be recovered.

Mine would. I'm too stingy to leave it there and not go
back for it.

Besides, if something is buried miles away from anywhere,
and no-one even knows it's there, what harm is it actually
doing? There must be a zillion things discarded by mankind
over the centuries that will be lost forever, sinking
deeper into the ground, eventually to be crushed and
compressed and to become part of the rock in the endless
geological cycle. Perhaps some advanced species living on
this planet many millions of years in the future will find
fossilised food caches that will help date the rock layers.
Probably a very thin layer. Their scientists can then
speculate on what great catastrophe caused the sudden
exctinction of the human race.

In one layer of rock there'd be a fossilised tin of Tesco
economy baked beans, and in the next, nothing...

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Quoted message said:

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When you have finished camping the keg could be buried
and used for a future cache.

Good plan, but knowing the military, I bet they'd drop it
in the wrong spot...

No thats bombs... Dont tell them its a bomb.

Blue kegs are used by someone I know to brew beer in on
expeditions.. especially to the "dry" Karakorum

Richard Webb

simplesimon said:

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Paul Saunders said:

Andrew Gill wrote:

> If you want to do some real wild camping, then get a
> book about edible plants and cook them. You can also
> fish on the way. It all depends on how long you are
> going to wild camp for

No thanks, I think I'll stick with fake wild camping in
the pretend wilderness. I've got edible plant books but
I prefer to spend my time taking photos and playing with
my GPS rather than faffing around hunting and gathering.

Nice idea in principle, but I prefer "hi-tech" wild
camping ;-)

Paul

Everyone is entitled to camp the way the feel...some like
to take everything and the kitchen sink, but I prefer to
rough it (I do take some small tinned stuff and choc
bars, rice that sort or thing, in case of emergency). I
have tried camping with tents, but I prefer to go light
(bivvy bag). Anyway, for the length of time I go (the
longest being 2 months), I would need a huge rucksack to
pack all that stuff

2 months in a bivvy? I'm truly impressed. I've bivvied out
twice The first time was a planned bivvy, the second time
was the result of some rather poor decision making on my
part. Neither was what you would call fun. In fact the
second time was a bit of an epic Yes, it was nice to be
able to look at the stars - I'll grant you that but
otherwise I was fairly miserable. I dont object to the
confines of my macpac microlite but I must be too
claustrophobic to be comfortable in a bivy.

simon

Thats where I am lucky...i don't get claustrophobic

simplesimon said:

2 months in a bivvy? I'm truly impressed. I've bivvied out
twice The first time was a planned bivvy, the second time
was the result of some rather poor decision making on my
part. Neither was what you would call fun. In fact the
second time was a bit of an epic Yes, it was nice to be
able to look at the stars - I'll grant you that but
otherwise I was fairly miserable. I dont object to the
confines of my macpac microlite but I must be too
claustrophobic to be comfortable in a bivy.

I get claustrophobic in a bivvy too, but it can be okay in
the right conditions, specifically *dry* conditions where
you don't have to zip the whole thing closed like a coffin.

Short summer nights are good where you really can go to
sleep looking up at the stars. Even long winter nights can
be okay too if dry, preferably next to a camp fire. I
occasionally do this in winter on the coast.

The main advantage of using a bivi bag in good weather is
"in case it rains" (mine also keeps the midgies out with
its built in netting - I can zip that up without feeling
claustrophobic), but if I expect rain then I'll take a
tent instead.

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In one layer of rock there'd be a fossilised tin of Tesco
economy baked beans, and in the next, nothing...

Ahhh a rerun for that explanation of the Permian
extinction... Massive methane injection into the atmosphere
causing a great deal of global warming.

Richard Webb

RJ Webb said:

Quoted message said:

Good plan, but knowing the military, I bet they'd drop it
in the wrong spot...

No thats bombs... Dont tell them its a bomb.

Ah yes, that's right. They're very good at dropping food
supplies accurately onto the enemy.

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RJ Webb said:

Quoted message said:

In one layer of rock there'd be a fossilised tin of Tesco
economy baked beans, and in the next, nothing...

Ahhh a rerun for that explanation of the Permian
extinction... Massive methane injection into the
atmosphere causing a great deal of global warming.

So that's the real reason for our eventual fate then? Tesco
will have a lot to answer for.

Paul
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Paul Saunders said:

RJ Webb said:

Quoted message said:

Good plan, but knowing the military, I bet they'd drop
it in the wrong spot...

No thats bombs... Dont tell them its a bomb.

Ah yes, that's right. They're very good at dropping food
supplies accurately onto the enemy.

Apologies.. I was getting carried away.. These comments
should really be directed at our Overlord's Air Force Any
slight on the RAF is regretted.. Sorry lads.

Richard Webb

Quoted message said:

Apologies.. I was getting carried away.. These comments
should really be directed at our Overlord's Air Force Any
slight on the RAF is regretted.. Sorry lads.

Ha. Presumably due to budget cuts or something the Jaguar
pilots in Gulf War I had to learn how to drop bombs properly
'on the job'.

Martin Richardson said:

Why? What's the difference? USAF or RAF?

I thought the USAF was *our* air force. I thought the RAF
just did training and air shows in red planes. ;-)

Paul
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