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  1. "Colin Blackburn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Dave Kahn said:

    "half_pint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "Julesh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >Does anyone have any experience of the £12.50 ones listed in the Mike
    >Dyason Catalogue?

    Nope but get yourself down to "Poundtime" and no doubt you
    will get a set of pliars and cutters for about £1.

    Fine. Buy a set and try them out when your 5 year service interval
    comes round. If they cut your cable cleanly let us know.

    You seem to have snipped half pint's punchline.

    He may be a little jealous perhaps ;O)

    Quoted message said:


    Colin

  2. In message <[email hidden]>, Simon
    Brooke <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Andy Dingley

    (') said:
    Julesh said:

    I'm sure the Park Tool ones are wonderful

    They're [censored]. Like many Park tools. The cable cutters are made of
    thin sheet and tend to bend and twist sideways. They give a rough cut
    on stranded cable, with lots of whiskering.

    Ehh?

    I have my Park Tool cable cutters in my hand now. They're forged steel,
    and the blades are seven millimetres thick. Oh, and they work
    exceedingly well.


    I wonder if there is more than one type of ark cutter around. I've heard
    the complaints about Park cutters before, but I too have a pair of Park
    Cutters (a few years old now) that still work well.
    --
    Chris French, Leeds

  3. half_pint [email hidden] opined the following...

    Quoted message said:

    Well as it will be the first time they have beem used in 5 years I
    would think they will cut very clean.

    Don't be so sure. If they are not hardened well, their first contact
    with the cable outer will put a nice dink in the blade and they'll serve
    only to crush, not cut!

    Quoted message said:

    Anyone spending £10 + on a pair of cutters which will only get
    used on a handfulof occasions is daft.

    I'm currently weigh up the pros and cons of spending upwards of £80 on a
    tool which will be used at least once and probably only three / four
    times. However, I don't think that Poundtime stock a headtube reamer /
    facer.

    Jon

  4. "half_pint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "Dave Kahn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "half_pint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    Nope but get yourself down to "Poundtime" and no doubt you
    will get a set of pliars and cutters for about £1.

    Fine. Buy a set and try them out when your 5 year service interval
    comes round. If they cut your cable cleanly let us know.

    Well as it will be the first time they have beem used in 5 years I
    would think they will cut very clean.

    I suspect you've not had much experience of cutting gear and brake
    cable. Seriously, if you do find a cheap set of cutters that do a good
    job let us know.

    --
    Dave...

  5. "Dave Kahn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "half_pint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    "Dave Kahn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "half_pint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    > Nope but get yourself down to "Poundtime" and no doubt you
    > will get a set of pliars and cutters for about £1.

    Fine. Buy a set and try them out when your 5 year service interval
    comes round. If they cut your cable cleanly let us know.

    Well as it will be the first time they have beem used in 5 years I
    would think they will cut very clean.

    I suspect you've not had much experience of cutting gear and brake
    cable. Seriously, if you do find a cheap set of cutters that do a good
    job let us know.

    Actually assuming you can rest the cable on a firm surface, preferably
    the ground (on a block of wood or similar) a cold steeel chisel
    (and of course a hammer) will give a nice clean cut. It will out last
    any set of cable cutters too.
    They are, I am sure available from PoundTime. ( probably a pack of 5).

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    --
    Dave...

  6. On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:48:20 -0000, "half_pint"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

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    assuming you can rest the cable on a firm surface, preferably
    the ground (on a block of wood or similar) a cold steeel chisel
    (and of course a hammer) will give a nice clean cut.

    half_wit: nul points.

    Resting it on a block of wood is pretty much guaranteed to end up with
    a poor cut, the anvil needs to be hard. If you're going to do this
    you need something like an aluminium dolly, but you'll proceed to dent
    it quite badly. A bit of cast iron might do, provided you don't crack
    it with the point loading, or you could always try to mug up some
    system which will allow the sharpened cold chisel (a blunt one would
    be useless) to *just* miss the metal support and that will give you a
    clean cut.

    I have something like this that I use. It has a sharp blade like a
    sort of abbreviated cold chisel, and a hard steel piece on which you
    rest the cable. The sharp blade chops the cable, sliding past the
    "anvil" to give a really clean cut. To ensure it doesn't miss the two
    are bolted together just tightly enough that the blade can move
    relative to the anvil. The hammer bit is rather hit and miss, so it
    uses a couple of handles instead, the leverage is easily sufficient to
    produce the required force.

    The whole assembly looks a lot like this:
    http://www.nexternal.com/icycles/images/cablecutter.jpg

    It cost me a tenner - much less than my last cold chisel.

    Guy
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  7. Just zis Guy said:

    On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:48:20 -0000, "half_pint"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    assuming you can rest the cable on a firm surface, preferably
    the ground (on a block of wood or similar) a cold steeel chisel
    (and of course a hammer) will give a nice clean cut.

    half_wit: nul points.

    Resting it on a block of wood is pretty much guaranteed to end up with
    a poor cut, the anvil needs to be hard. If you're going to do this
    you need something like an aluminium dolly, but you'll proceed to dent
    it quite badly. A bit of cast iron might do, provided you don't crack
    it with the point loading, or you could always try to mug up some
    system which will allow the sharpened cold chisel (a blunt one would
    be useless) to *just* miss the metal support and that will give you a
    clean cut.

    I have something like this that I use. It has a sharp blade like a
    sort of abbreviated cold chisel, and a hard steel piece on which you
    rest the cable. The sharp blade chops the cable, sliding past the
    "anvil" to give a really clean cut. To ensure it doesn't miss the two
    are bolted together just tightly enough that the blade can move
    relative to the anvil. The hammer bit is rather hit and miss, so it
    uses a couple of handles instead, the leverage is easily sufficient to
    produce the required force.

    The whole assembly looks a lot like this:
    http://www.nexternal.com/icycles/images/cablecutter.jpg

    It cost me a tenner - much less than my last cold chisel.

    Guy

    Guy, Where did you get your cutters?

    Julesh

  8. On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:34:46 GMT, Julesh
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Where did you get your cutters?

    Assuming you mean the cable cutters and not the other sort for which I
    am known in these parts, I actually can't remember.

    They are very cheap - Eldi brand if memory serves (checks) ... which
    it does. I have a vague recollection that I tacked them onto an order
    from St John Street one day. I have had them for some time, and they
    were degraded somewhat by being used to cut steel 00 gauge rails.
    These days I know much better. I use nickel-silver rails... Oh, OK<
    then, I use a hand power tool to cut them. And my hand, come to think
    of it...

    Anyway, Eldi brand they are, and I am fairly sure it was an SJSC
    special a hectofortnight[1] or so ago.

    [1] 1 hectofortnight = 100 fortnights.

    Guy
    --
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    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  9. Quoted message said:


    Resting it on a block of wood is pretty much guaranteed to end up with
    a poor cut, the anvil needs to be hard. If you're going to do this
    you need something like an aluminium dolly, but you'll proceed to dent
    it quite badly. A bit of cast iron might do, provided you don't crack
    it with the point loading, or you could always try to mug up some
    system which will allow the sharpened cold chisel (a blunt one would
    be useless) to *just* miss the metal support and that will give you a
    clean cut.

    I have something like this that I use. It has a sharp blade like a
    sort of abbreviated cold chisel, and a hard steel piece on which you
    rest the cable. The sharp blade chops the cable, sliding past the
    "anvil" to give a really clean cut. To ensure it doesn't miss the two
    are bolted together just tightly enough that the blade can move
    relative to the anvil. The hammer bit is rather hit and miss, so it
    uses a couple of handles instead, the leverage is easily sufficient to
    produce the required force.

    The whole assembly looks a lot like this:
    http://www.nexternal.com/icycles/images/cablecutter.jpg

    Did you find that in a child's toy box/

    Quoted message said:
  10. In message <[email hidden]>

    chris French said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Simon
    Brooke <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Andy Dingley

    (') said:

    On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:42:13 GMT, Julesh
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > I'm sure the Park Tool ones are wonderful

    They're [censored]. Like many Park tools. The cable cutters are made of
    thin sheet and tend to bend and twist sideways. They give a rough cut
    on stranded cable, with lots of whiskering.

    Ehh?

    I have my Park Tool cable cutters in my hand now. They're forged steel,
    and the blades are seven millimetres thick. Oh, and they work
    exceedingly well.


    I wonder if there is more than one type of ark cutter around. I've heard
    the complaints about Park cutters before, but I too have a pair of Park
    Cutters (a few years old now) that still work well.

    Me I recommend Knippex side cutters about £15, long lasting hardenned
    blades

    --
    Gwyn Oakley

  11. On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:19:24 -0000, "half_pint"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Did you find that in a child's toy box/

    Ah. So there genuinely is no point so blindingly obvious that you
    can't miss it, then.

    Guy
    --
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    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  12. On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:08:26 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Chris

    Malcolm) said:
    Simonb said:

    Chris Malcolm wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A good test of a cable cutter is whether it will cut the steel wire in
    the bead of a bike tyre without becoming too damaged to do it again.

    Quoted message said:

    Why would you want to do that? It isn't what they're designed for, so if
    they fail this particular test, you're [censored].

    It's what a good generic cable cutter ought to be able to do, it's a
    good test, and I don't simply buy tools just to be used a few times
    on a bicycle. Actually, if you try them on a wire coat hanger, there
    are some cheap cable cutters that fail that test, in the sense that
    cutting one single wire coat hanger into, say, 6 inch lengths, would
    finish them.

    Ah, now I don't feel so stupid, having wrecked my Park cutters by
    cutting the ends off mudguard stays.

  13. [email hidden] (Dave Kahn) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Fine. Buy a set and try them out when your 5 year service interval
    comes round. If they cut your cable cleanly let us know.

    A *good* pair of pliers should do fine. And I mean *good* - the pricey
    sort obtained from the sort of hardware dealers who supply
    carpenters/plumbers/builders, etc.
    Dad swiped such a pair from work years ago, and they're still going
    strong, with quite a keen edge on the cable-snipping bit after all
    this time - I doubt if a cheap & cheerful pair would cut quite so
    well.
    In another thread on u.r.c, Simon Brooke mentioned using a hacksaw for
    trimming outer casings to suit - haven't tried this myself but it
    sounds like a good idea, provided the blade's a fine-pitch one for
    cutting metal.

    David E. Belcher

  14. Simonb said:

    Chris Malcolm wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A good test of a cable cutter is whether it will cut the steel wire in
    the bead of a bike tyre without becoming too damaged to do it again.

    Quoted message said:

    Why would you want to do that? It isn't what they're designed for, so if
    they fail this particular test, you're [censored].

    It's what a good generic cable cutter ought to be able to do, it's a
    good test, and I don't simply buy tools just to be used a few times
    on a bicycle. Actually, if you try them on a wire coat hanger, there
    are some cheap cable cutters that fail that test, in the sense that
    cutting one single wire coat hanger into, say, 6 inch lengths, would
    finish them.

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

  15. On 3/12/04 8:46 am, in article
    [email hidden], "David E. Belcher"

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Dave Kahn) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Fine. Buy a set and try them out when your 5 year service interval
    comes round. If they cut your cable cleanly let us know.

    A *good* pair of pliers should do fine. And I mean *good* - the pricey
    sort obtained from the sort of hardware dealers who supply
    carpenters/plumbers/builders, etc.
    Dad swiped such a pair from work years ago, and they're still going
    strong, with quite a keen edge on the cable-snipping bit after all
    this time - I doubt if a cheap & cheerful pair would cut quite so
    well.
    In another thread on u.r.c, Simon Brooke mentioned using a hacksaw for
    trimming outer casings to suit - haven't tried this myself but it
    sounds like a good idea, provided the blade's a fine-pitch one for
    cutting metal.

    I use a pair of CK side cutters. These also work well on mudguard stays (But
    are very hard work). Doing fine and give a cleanish cut.

    Proper cable snips would no doubt do a better job but these so a sufficient
    one and are usable for many things.

    ...d

  16. Jon Senior said:

    I'm currently weigh up the pros and cons of spending upwards of £80
    on a tool which will be used at least once and probably only three /
    four times. However, I don't think that Poundtime stock a headtube
    reamer / facer.

    Pros: It's a new tool
    Cons: None

    One can /never/ have enough tools. It's a Bloke Thing (g, d & r)

    --

    Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
    World Domination?
    Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
    floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)

  17. David E. Belcher said:

    [email hidden] (Dave Kahn) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Fine. Buy a set and try them out when your 5 year service interval
    comes round. If they cut your cable cleanly let us know.

    A *good* pair of pliers should do fine. And I mean *good* - the pricey
    sort obtained from the sort of hardware dealers who supply
    carpenters/plumbers/builders, etc.
    Dad swiped such a pair from work years ago, and they're still going
    strong, with quite a keen edge on the cable-snipping bit after all
    this time - I doubt if a cheap & cheerful pair would cut quite so
    well.

    A cheap pair of pliers and then clean up the end up square on a grinding
    wheel works for housing, and solder the cable so it doesn't fray and then
    cut through the soldered bit with cheap pliers works for cable.

    Cutting through the cable and housing together can make it easier to get
    a clean cut too - the cable stops the housing crushing, and the housing
    stops the cable fraying. You don't necessarily have to get them both the
    right length at the same time, you can cut the housing with the end of the
    cable pulled in so only a little cable gets cut off, then use the spare
    cut off bit of housing to adjust the cable length once the correct length
    housing is in place.

    But decent cutters work more easily.

  18. Dave Larrington <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : Pros: It's a new tool
    : Cons: None

    : One can /never/ have enough tools. It's a Bloke Thing (g, d & r)

    I must be a girl then. I like to have clear space, and not too many
    things cluttering the place up. Tools count. And £80 is a nice some
    to put towards a *real* boys toy 🙂

    http://www.cyclexpress.co.uk/products/Polar_S710i___S720i_100.asp

    Arthur

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  19. Alan Braggins [email hidden] opined the following...

    Quoted message said:

    A cheap pair of pliers and then clean up the end up square on a grinding
    wheel works for housing, and solder the cable so it doesn't fray and then
    cut through the soldered bit with cheap pliers works for cable.

    A few wraps of insulating tape can work as well as solder. It also makes
    a more reliable cable end cap / good replacement when you realise that
    you don't actually ahve any!

    Jon

  20. Arthur Clune said:

    I must be a girl then. I like to have clear space, and not too many
    things cluttering the place up. Tools count. And £80 is a nice some
    to put towards a *real* boys toy 🙂

    Tsk, Arthur, that's what toolboxes are for :-)

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.cyclexpress.co.uk/products/Polar_S710i___S720i_100.asp

    Gagh! Those things are the Work of Stan! Wretch Fleming has one and spent
    most of the 2003 season jamming the signals on my Cardiosport HRM. Just
    about every race saw my display go up to 235 bpm and stay there even when he
    was three-quarters of a mile away on the other side of the circuit.

    --

    Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
    World Domination?
    Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
    floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)

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