His final race is tomorrow. Great career!! Well done!! (Perhaps he should
consider one more Paris-Roubaix)
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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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His final race is tomorrow. Great career!! Well done!!
(Perhaps he
shouldQuoted message said:
consider one more Paris-Roubaix)
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ng0_Spo18_Evt6116_Sto573870.shtmlIt was all the drugs Lafferty, ALL the drugs.
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"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hO-
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His final race is tomorrow. Great career!! Well done!!
(Perhaps he
shouldQuoted message said:
consider one more Paris-Roubaix)
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It was all the drugs Lafferty, ALL the drugs.And if it was, so what? If they're all on drugs, the playing
field is level, correct? Please go back and reread the last
sentence, Tom. Note the ise of the word "If." In case you're
wondering, the word "if" is defined thusly: f (îf)
conjunction1. a. In the event that: If I were to go, I would be late.
b. Granting that: If that is true, what should we do? c.
On the condition that: She will play the piano only if
she is paid.2. Although possibly; even though: It is a handsome if
useless trinket.3. Whether: Ask if he plans to come to the meeting.
4. Used to introduce an exclamatory clause, indicating a
wish: If they had only come earlier!noun
A possibility, condition, or stipulation: There will be no
ifs, ands, or buts in this matter.[Middle English, from Old English gif.]
Usage Note: In informal writing both if and whether are
standard in their use to introduce a clause indicating
uncertainty after a verb such as ask, doubt, know, learn, or
see: We shall soon learn whether (or if) it is true. In such
contexts, however, the use of if can sometimes create
ambiguities. Depending on the intended meaning, the sentence
Let her know if she is invited might be better paraphrased
as Let her know whether she is invited or If she is invited,
let her know. · In conditional sentences the clause
introduced by if may contain either a past subjunctive verb
(if I were going) or an indicative verb (if I am going; if I
was going), depending on the intended meaning. According to
the traditional rule, the subjunctive should be used to
describe an occurrence that is presupposed to be contrary to
fact, as in if I were ten years younger or if Napoleon had
won at Waterloo. The main verb of such a sentence must then
contain the modal verb would or (less frequently) should: If
America were still a British colony, we would have an anthem
that human voices could sing. If I were the President, I
should (or would) declare November 1 a national holiday.
When the situation described by the if clause is not
presupposed to be false, however, that clause must contain
an indicative verb, and the choice of verb in the main
clause will depend on the intended meaning: If Hamlet was
really written by Marlowe, as many have argued, then we have
underestimated Marlowe's genius. If Kevin was out all day,
then it makes sense that he couldn't answer the phone. Note
also that the presence of the modal verb would in the main
clause should not be taken as a sign that the verb in the if
clause must be in the subjunctive, if the content of that
clause is not presupposed to be false: If I was (not were)
to accept their offer- which I'm still considering- I would
have to start the new job on May 2. He would always call her
from the office if he was (not were) going to be late for
dinner. · Again according to the traditional rule, the
subjunctive is not correctly used following verbs such as
ask or wonder in if clauses that express indirect questions,
even if the content of the question is presumed to be
contrary to fact: We wondered if dinner was (not were)
included in the room price. Some of the people we met even
asked us if California was (not were) an island. · With all
deference to the traditional rules governing the use of the
subjunctive, it should be noted that a survey of the prose
of reputable writers over the past 200 years would reveal a
persistent tendency to use the indicative was where the
traditional rule would require the subjunctive were. A
sentence beginning If I was the only boy in the world, while
not strictly correct, is wholly unremarkable. But the
corresponding practice of using the subjunctive in place of
the indicative may be labeled a hypercorrection. · In spoken
English there is a growing tendency to use would have in
place of the subjunctive in contrary-to-fact clauses, as in
if I would have been the President, but this usage is still
widely considered incorrect. -
"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:-
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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:-
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His final race is tomorrow. Great career!! Well done!!
(Perhaps he
shouldQuoted message said:
consider one more Paris-Roubaix)
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Quoted message said:
It was all the drugs Lafferty, ALL the drugs.And if it was, so what? If they're all on drugs, the
playing field is level, correct? Please go back and reread
the last sentence, Tom. Note
theQuoted message said:
ise of the word "If." In case you're wondering, the word
"if" is defined thusly: f (îf) conjunction1. a. In the event that: If I were to go, I would be late.
b. Granting
that:Quoted message said:
If that is true, what should we do? c. On the condition
that: She will
playQuoted message said:
the piano only if she is paid.
2. Although possibly; even though: It is a handsome if
useless trinket.3. Whether: Ask if he plans to come to the meeting.
4. Used to introduce an exclamatory clause, indicating a
wish: If they had only come earlier!noun
A possibility, condition, or stipulation: There will be no
ifs, ands, or buts in this matter.[Middle English, from Old English gif.]
Usage Note: In informal writing both if and whether are
standard in their use to introduce a clause indicating
uncertainty after a verb such as ask, doubt, know, learn,
or see: We shall soon learn whether (or if) it is
true.Quoted message said:
In such contexts, however, the use of if can sometimes
create ambiguities. Depending on the intended meaning, the
sentence Let her know if she is invited might be better
paraphrased as Let her know whether she is invited or If
she is invited, let her know. · In conditional sentences
the clause introduced by if may contain either a past
subjunctive verb (if I were going) or an indicative verb
(if I am going; if I was going), depending on the intended
meaning. According to the traditional rule, the
subjunctive should be used to describe an occurrence that
is presupposed to be
contraryQuoted message said:
to fact, as in if I were ten years younger or if Napoleon
had won at Waterloo. The main verb of such a sentence must
then contain the modal
verbQuoted message said:
would or (less frequently) should: If America were still a
British colony, we would have an anthem that human voices
could sing. If I were the President, I should (or would)
declare November 1 a national holiday. When the situation
described by the if clause is not presupposed to be false,
however, that clause must contain an indicative verb, and
the choice of
verbQuoted message said:
in the main clause will depend on the intended meaning: If
Hamlet was
reallyQuoted message said:
written by Marlowe, as many have argued, then we have
underestimated Marlowe's genius. If Kevin was out all day,
then it makes sense that he couldn't answer the phone.
Note also that the presence of the modal verb would in the
main clause should not be taken as a sign that the verb in
theQuoted message said:
if clause must be in the subjunctive, if the content of
that clause is not presupposed to be false: If I was (not
were) to accept their offer- which I'm still considering-
I would have to start the new job on May 2. He
wouldQuoted message said:
always call her from the office if he was (not were) going
to be late for dinner. · Again according to the
traditional rule, the subjunctive is not correctly used
following verbs such as ask or wonder in if clauses that
express indirect questions, even if the content of the
question is
presumedQuoted message said:
to be contrary to fact: We wondered if dinner was (not
were) included in
theQuoted message said:
room price. Some of the people we met even asked us if
California was (not were) an island. · With all deference
to the traditional rules governing
theQuoted message said:
use of the subjunctive, it should be noted that a survey
of the prose of reputable writers over the past 200 years
would reveal a persistent
tendencyQuoted message said:
to use the indicative was where the traditional rule would
require the subjunctive were. A sentence beginning If I
was the only boy in the world, while not strictly correct,
is wholly unremarkable. But the corresponding practice of
using the subjunctive in place of the indicative may be
labeledQuoted message said:
a hypercorrection. · In spoken English there is a growing
tendency to use would have in place of the subjunctive in
contrary-to-fact clauses, as in
ifQuoted message said:
I would have been the President, but this usage is still
widely considered incorrect.If only Tom had not had that problem. Some problem you can
live with but others just boil over into chaos and pain. -
"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And if it was, so what? If they're all on drugs, the
playing field is level, correct?Apparently not. The wisemen of rbr attacks my post and
claims by some can drug better than others. Lance Armstrong
has better access to more expensive drugs than Ullrich.
Therefore, he wins the TDF 6 times.
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