His final race is tomorrow. Great career!! Well done!! (Perhaps he should
consider one more Paris-Roubaix)
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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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His final race is tomorrow. Great career!! Well done!! (Perhaps he
shouldQuoted message said:
consider one more Paris-Roubaix)
http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V3/L0/S18/E6116/sport_Lng0_Spo18_Evt6116_Sto573870.shtmlIt was all the drugs Lafferty, ALL the drugs.
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"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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His final race is tomorrow. Great career!! Well done!! (Perhaps he
shouldQuoted message said:
consider one more Paris-Roubaix)
http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V3/L0/S18/E6116/sport_Lng0_Spo18_Evt6116_Sto573870.shtmlQuoted message said:
It was all the drugs Lafferty, ALL the drugs.And if it was, so what? If they're all on drugs, the playing field is
level, correct? Please go back and reread the last sentence, Tom. Note the
ise of the word "If." In case you're wondering, the word "if" is defined
thusly:
f (îf) conjunction1. a. In the event that: If I were to go, I would be late. b. Granting that:
If that is true, what should we do? c. On the condition that: She will play
the piano only if she is paid.2. Although possibly; even though: It is a handsome if useless trinket.
3. Whether: Ask if he plans to come to the meeting.
4. Used to introduce an exclamatory clause, indicating a wish: If they had
only come earlier!noun
A possibility, condition, or stipulation: There will be no ifs, ands, or
buts in this matter.[Middle English, from Old English gif.]
Usage Note: In informal writing both if and whether are standard in their
use to introduce a clause indicating uncertainty after a verb such as ask,
doubt, know, learn, or see: We shall soon learn whether (or if) it is true.
In such contexts, however, the use of if can sometimes create ambiguities.
Depending on the intended meaning, the sentence Let her know if she is
invited might be better paraphrased as Let her know whether she is invited
or If she is invited, let her know. · In conditional sentences the clause
introduced by if may contain either a past subjunctive verb (if I were
going) or an indicative verb (if I am going; if I was going), depending on
the intended meaning. According to the traditional rule, the subjunctive
should be used to describe an occurrence that is presupposed to be contrary
to fact, as in if I were ten years younger or if Napoleon had won at
Waterloo. The main verb of such a sentence must then contain the modal verb
would or (less frequently) should: If America were still a British colony,
we would have an anthem that human voices could sing. If I were the
President, I should (or would) declare November 1 a national holiday. When
the situation described by the if clause is not presupposed to be false,
however, that clause must contain an indicative verb, and the choice of verb
in the main clause will depend on the intended meaning: If Hamlet was really
written by Marlowe, as many have argued, then we have underestimated
Marlowe's genius. If Kevin was out all day, then it makes sense that he
couldn't answer the phone. Note also that the presence of the modal verb
would in the main clause should not be taken as a sign that the verb in the
if clause must be in the subjunctive, if the content of that clause is not
presupposed to be false: If I was (not were) to accept their offer- which
I'm still considering- I would have to start the new job on May 2. He would
always call her from the office if he was (not were) going to be late for
dinner. · Again according to the traditional rule, the subjunctive is not
correctly used following verbs such as ask or wonder in if clauses that
express indirect questions, even if the content of the question is presumed
to be contrary to fact: We wondered if dinner was (not were) included in the
room price. Some of the people we met even asked us if California was (not
were) an island. · With all deference to the traditional rules governing the
use of the subjunctive, it should be noted that a survey of the prose of
reputable writers over the past 200 years would reveal a persistent tendency
to use the indicative was where the traditional rule would require the
subjunctive were. A sentence beginning If I was the only boy in the world,
while not strictly correct, is wholly unremarkable. But the corresponding
practice of using the subjunctive in place of the indicative may be labeled
a hypercorrection. · In spoken English there is a growing tendency to use
would have in place of the subjunctive in contrary-to-fact clauses, as in if
I would have been the President, but this usage is still widely considered
incorrect. -
"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
His final race is tomorrow. Great career!! Well done!! (Perhaps he
shouldQuoted message said:
consider one more Paris-Roubaix)
http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V3/L0/S18/E6116/sport_Lng0_Spo18_Evt6116_Sto573870.shtmlQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
It was all the drugs Lafferty, ALL the drugs.And if it was, so what? If they're all on drugs, the playing field is
level, correct? Please go back and reread the last sentence, Tom. Note
theQuoted message said:
ise of the word "If." In case you're wondering, the word "if" is defined
thusly:
f (îf) conjunction1. a. In the event that: If I were to go, I would be late. b. Granting
that:Quoted message said:
If that is true, what should we do? c. On the condition that: She will
playQuoted message said:
the piano only if she is paid.
2. Although possibly; even though: It is a handsome if useless trinket.
3. Whether: Ask if he plans to come to the meeting.
4. Used to introduce an exclamatory clause, indicating a wish: If they had
only come earlier!noun
A possibility, condition, or stipulation: There will be no ifs, ands, or
buts in this matter.[Middle English, from Old English gif.]
Usage Note: In informal writing both if and whether are standard in their
use to introduce a clause indicating uncertainty after a verb such as ask,
doubt, know, learn, or see: We shall soon learn whether (or if) it is
true.Quoted message said:
In such contexts, however, the use of if can sometimes create ambiguities.
Depending on the intended meaning, the sentence Let her know if she is
invited might be better paraphrased as Let her know whether she is invited
or If she is invited, let her know. · In conditional sentences the clause
introduced by if may contain either a past subjunctive verb (if I were
going) or an indicative verb (if I am going; if I was going), depending on
the intended meaning. According to the traditional rule, the subjunctive
should be used to describe an occurrence that is presupposed to be
contraryQuoted message said:
to fact, as in if I were ten years younger or if Napoleon had won at
Waterloo. The main verb of such a sentence must then contain the modal
verbQuoted message said:
would or (less frequently) should: If America were still a British colony,
we would have an anthem that human voices could sing. If I were the
President, I should (or would) declare November 1 a national holiday. When
the situation described by the if clause is not presupposed to be false,
however, that clause must contain an indicative verb, and the choice of
verbQuoted message said:
in the main clause will depend on the intended meaning: If Hamlet was
reallyQuoted message said:
written by Marlowe, as many have argued, then we have underestimated
Marlowe's genius. If Kevin was out all day, then it makes sense that he
couldn't answer the phone. Note also that the presence of the modal verb
would in the main clause should not be taken as a sign that the verb in
theQuoted message said:
if clause must be in the subjunctive, if the content of that clause is not
presupposed to be false: If I was (not were) to accept their offer- which
I'm still considering- I would have to start the new job on May 2. He
wouldQuoted message said:
always call her from the office if he was (not were) going to be late for
dinner. · Again according to the traditional rule, the subjunctive is not
correctly used following verbs such as ask or wonder in if clauses that
express indirect questions, even if the content of the question is
presumedQuoted message said:
to be contrary to fact: We wondered if dinner was (not were) included in
theQuoted message said:
room price. Some of the people we met even asked us if California was (not
were) an island. · With all deference to the traditional rules governing
theQuoted message said:
use of the subjunctive, it should be noted that a survey of the prose of
reputable writers over the past 200 years would reveal a persistent
tendencyQuoted message said:
to use the indicative was where the traditional rule would require the
subjunctive were. A sentence beginning If I was the only boy in the world,
while not strictly correct, is wholly unremarkable. But the corresponding
practice of using the subjunctive in place of the indicative may be
labeledQuoted message said:
a hypercorrection. · In spoken English there is a growing tendency to use
would have in place of the subjunctive in contrary-to-fact clauses, as in
ifQuoted message said:
I would have been the President, but this usage is still widely considered
incorrect.If only Tom had not had that problem. Some problem you can live with but
others just boil over into chaos and pain. -
"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And if it was, so what? If they're all on drugs, the playing field is
level, correct?Apparently not. The wisemen of rbr attacks my post and claims by some
can drug better than others. Lance Armstrong has better access to more
expensive drugs than Ullrich. Therefore, he wins the TDF 6 times.
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