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Brain mets - radiation?

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  1. Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse, they do.

    Review: Mom had metastatic breast cancer for 11 years with mets to the bones and Ovarian cancer for
    1 year (new primary). She was living alone independently with daily home care until two weeks ago
    when she got dizzy, fell and broke her arm. She's anemic, low platlets, and has congestive heart
    failure down to 25% function probably from the Herceptin. She elected not to have the surgery and
    was psychologically evaluated a week ago Saturday as competent to make that decision. The hospital
    she was in was terrible, despite the large sign on the wall, just about every person who came in
    would pick up her broken arm and she would scream in pain! My brother and I looked into options and
    she wanted to go to a palliative care center that specializes in terminal cancer patients. She was
    transferred there last Wednesday. She was fine Wednesday night.

    New developments: Something bad happened. Pretty much overnight, she has developed some kind of
    dementia. She's very confused. I am devastated. Her doctor said that there could be a number of
    causes, like a stroke, or infection, but its most likely brain mets. They will try to treat it with
    steroids first and if her response is sufficiently favorable, then they will do a cat scan to see
    what's going on. If they elect to go that route, they will have to do the cat scan in another
    hospital because the palliative specialty hospital she's in doesn't have the equipment. It is
    terribly cold this week in New York. He said that if they determine that its brain mets, then
    radiation may shrink the mets and prolong her life from 3-6 months, possibly even restoring her
    mental function. Although she did improve a litte from the steroids, she was able to ask for milk
    and apple sauce, she reconized me, my brother, and a picture of her mother, she was able to say she
    was hot, from what he's seen of her, the doctor does not think its sufficient to warrant any further
    action. He thinks that if she doesn't respond sufficiently to the steroids, there is little hope for
    a response from radiation, and moving her to do the cat scan would be traumatic.

    My question is why don't they just assume that its brain mets give her the radiation anyway and see
    what happens. Why bother with the expensive cat scan. I didn't think radiation was that expensive.
    Isn't it possible that she will respond to radiation when she doesn't respond to steroids?

    I know I'm going to lose her, and she's being kept extremely comfortable, and she couldn't be in
    better more caring nursing hands. But there is no amount I wouldn't give for just one more
    intelligent conversation. I don't know if I should force the issue possibly by moving her again. I
    don't know if that would be doing her a favor or should I just let her go.

  2. John Smith said:

    My question is why don't they just assume that its brain mets give her the radiation anyway and
    see what happens. Why bother with the expensive cat scan. I didn't think radiation was that
    expensive. Isn't it possible that she will respond to radiation when she doesn't respond to
    steroids?


    She could be (theoretically) be responding to brain edema without mets so if they went ahead and
    irradiated that the rad oncs would be in hot water, esp. in the litigious USA..

    --
    madiba

  3. "John Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse, they do.

    Review: Mom had metastatic breast cancer for 11 years with mets to the bones and Ovarian cancer
    for 1 year (new primary). She was living alone independently with daily home care until two weeks
    ago when she got dizzy, fell and broke her arm. She's anemic, low platlets, and has congestive
    heart failure down to 25% function probably from the Herceptin. She elected not to have the
    surgery and was psychologically evaluated a week ago Saturday as competent to make that decision.
    The hospital she was in was terrible, despite the large sign on the wall, just about every person
    who came in would pick up her broken arm and she would scream in pain! My brother and I looked
    into options and she wanted to go to a palliative care center that specializes in terminal cancer
    patients. She was transferred there last Wednesday. She was fine Wednesday night.

    New developments: Something bad happened. Pretty much overnight, she has developed some kind of
    dementia. She's very confused. I am devastated. Her doctor said that there could be a number of
    causes, like a stroke, or infection, but its most likely brain mets. They will try to treat it
    with steroids first and if her response is sufficiently favorable, then they will do a cat scan to
    see what's going on. If they elect to go that route, they will have to do the cat scan in another
    hospital because the palliative specialty hospital she's in doesn't have the equipment. It is
    terribly cold this week in New York. He said that if they determine that its brain mets, then
    radiation may shrink the mets and prolong her life from 3-6 months, possibly even restoring her
    mental function. Although she did improve a litte from the steroids, she was able to ask for milk
    and apple sauce, she reconized me, my brother, and a picture of her mother, she was able to say
    she was hot, from what he's seen of her, the doctor does not think its sufficient to warrant any
    further action. He thinks that if she doesn't respond sufficiently to the steroids, there is
    little hope for a response from radiation, and moving her to do the cat scan would be traumatic.

    My question is why don't they just assume that its brain mets give her the radiation anyway and
    see what happens. Why bother with the expensive cat scan. I didn't think radiation was that
    expensive. Isn't it possible that she will respond to radiation when she doesn't respond to
    steroids?

    I know I'm going to lose her, and she's being kept extremely comfortable, and she couldn't be in
    better more caring nursing hands. But there is no amount I wouldn't give for just one more
    intelligent conversation. I don't know if I should force the issue possibly by moving her again. I
    don't know if that would be doing her a favor or should I just let her go.

    Radiation has no impact on survival. It may improve symptoms in someone who is in good general
    condition. Someone who is bed-bound or very sick is very unlikely to benefit from radiotherapy.

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