Bollards

"Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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still me said:

On 19 Jul 2007 04:21:19 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

Also, to those people who think a badass SUV would conquer these--keep
dreaming. The hydraulics that run these bollards easily lift SUVs off the
ground.

-Luigi

If a full sized SUV or Pickup Truck hit the Bollards like those little toy
cars did, they would be bent so bad they would not rise or lower, of course
the SUV would also be bent s some.

DI said:

"Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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still me said:

On 19 Jul 2007 04:21:19 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

Also, to those people who think a badass SUV would conquer these--keep
dreaming. The hydraulics that run these bollards easily lift SUVs off the
ground.

-Luigi

If a full sized SUV or Pickup Truck hit the Bollards like those little toy
cars did, they would be bent so bad they would not rise or lower, of course
the SUV would also be bent s some.

Delivery vans are about the same size and tonnage as your Suburban, and I
have seen them lifted. The bollards are plenty tough. To bend them as
you think they should be bent would require that the van/SUV/truck move
much faster than any of the vehicles in this film could move--something
that is either impossible (bollard is a few hundred feet after a corner)
or impracticable (bollards located in very dense pedestrian environments).

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DI said:

"Luigi de Guzman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

still me said:

On 19 Jul 2007 04:21:19 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

Also, to those people who think a badass SUV would conquer these--keep
dreaming. The hydraulics that run these bollards easily lift SUVs off the
ground.

-Luigi

If a full sized SUV or Pickup Truck hit the Bollards like those little toy
cars did, they would be bent so bad they would not rise or lower, of course
the SUV would also be bent s some.

Dear D,

Sorry, but that's just wishful thinking . . .

http://www.atgaccess.com/downloads/SP1000-popup.htm

"The SP1000 Automatic Rising Bollard has become a benchmark for the
industry and the flagship product within our automatic bollard range
after it successfully arrested a fully laden 7.5 tonne truck on two
separate occasions at the TRL testing facility in Wokingham. The first
test was at 50km/h (30mph) and resulted in a complete "dead stop" of
the vehicle and the bollard continuing to function."

http://www.atgaccess.com/products/impact-tested-products.htm

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

carlfogel said:

"The SP1000 Automatic Rising Bollard has become a benchmark for the
industry and the flagship product within our automatic bollard range
after it successfully arrested a fully laden 7.5 tonne truck on two
separate occasions at the TRL testing facility in Wokingham.

Facts are unlikely to convince him. The next thing you know, he'll insist
that a "tonne" is a toy unit of measurement.

Because, y'know, Amurrkun SUVs are unstoppable.

-Luigi

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DI said:

If a full sized SUV or Pickup Truck hit the Bollards like those
little toy cars did, they would be bent so bad they would not rise or
lower, of course the SUV would also be bent s some.

And the driver would say, "Bollocks" ???

Lou Holtman said:

Marz said:

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http://tinyurl.com/ybfsmj

Smartasses, they are!

Jobst Brandt

Fantastic. Dumb drivers. I hope the kid in the Merc was ok.

Merc?

I am surprised that Emil Jellinek wanted everyone riding his daughter. 😉

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aka Jobst Brandt said:

Ron Sonic? writes:

http://tinyurl.com/ybfsmj

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Quoted message said:

Smartasses, they are!

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Indeed.

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But whatever are those "bollards" about? What's the context,
traffic control? Secure locations? "Traffic calming" civil
engineering that just pisses everyone off? One of those incidents
looked as if the vehicle driver didn't know something was up. Do
these things just pop up around town like some subterranean
predator?

They are used to separate pedestrian malls from auto traffic, allowing
public transit to serves the mall. We have those right here where I
live, except that they are 10" in diameter (for monster SUV's) and are
used to keep cars out of pedestrian/bicycle areas.

The city center of Brig Switzerland is bollard off, for instance an I
like it. I'm sure they are common in many advanced city centers. It
beats getting out and unlocking a steel post to be manually moved and
replaced after passage.

Is there a black market for bollard transponders?

--
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The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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DI said:

If a full sized SUV or Pickup Truck hit the Bollards like those
little toy cars did,

I'm sure your a really nice bloke, but stuff like that makes you sound like
an arrogant seppo.

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Dear D,

Sorry, but that's just wishful thinking . . .

http://www.atgaccess.com/downloads/SP1000-popup.htm

"The SP1000 Automatic Rising Bollard has become a benchmark for the
industry and the flagship product within our automatic bollard range
after it successfully arrested a fully laden 7.5 tonne truck on two
separate occasions at the TRL testing facility in Wokingham. The first
test was at 50km/h (30mph) and resulted in a complete "dead stop" of
the vehicle and the bollard continuing to function."

http://www.atgaccess.com/products/impact-tested-products.htm

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Here's a few more test, first is an Automatic Bollard, notice it appears to
be much larger than the ones in the Manchester video.

The second appears to be fixed, although it stopped the truck, it didn't
fair so well.

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Luigi de Guzman said:

still me said:

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/ybfsmj

Smartasses, they are!

Jobst Brandt

Gee, I thought that dangerous features implemented in ways to
endanger unsuspecting drivers and damage their vehicles were a
uniquely US feature. It's good to know stupidity is worldwide.

Where these bollards are in use, there are usually BIG signs indicating
"NO ENTRY" or "BUSES ONLY". In many cases, a mini-roundabout gives
non-bus traffic a chance to turn around before running headlong into the
bollards.

It's not as if the bollards are being deployed randomly, although that
would be fun.

Also, to those people who think a badass SUV would conquer these--keep
dreaming. The hydraulics that run these bollards easily lift SUVs off the
ground.

-Luigi

As much as I like the schadenfreude of these bollards deploying on cars,
This could be prevented with a relatively inexpensive change that would
greatly increase the psychological inhibition of trying to cheat the
bollards.

Make it into an "airlock" arrangement, with a train-crossing type gate
descending behind the bus before the bollards drop:

: BUS | car

As you can see from my diagram, the gate (|) would normally be open when
the bollards were up. When the bus takes up its position in front of the
bollards, the gate would close as the bollards descended.

The cheating car shown in my diagram could then try to drive through the
(mostly harmless) gate, but most people won't do this: it's obvious that
driving through a closed gate will slightly damage your car and
definitely wreck the gate. We're inhibited against doing so.

If people did start driving through gate, I'd be shocked, but in that
case, you just convert the gate to bollards. If a clever sort tries to
stop over the bollards as they're going to go up, just have 'em sound a
big klaxon and a few flashing lights. All but the most ASBO-seeking
driver would back up.

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to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

"AndyMorris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

DI said:

If a full sized SUV or Pickup Truck hit the Bollards like those
little toy cars did,

I'm sure your a really nice bloke, but stuff like that makes you sound
like
an arrogant seppo.

--
Andy Morris

If you will notice, I made a joke as a reply to a Sornson mail, complete
with a funny face, however Mr. Lasagna took it serious and to a personal
level, all my replies are now directed at him.

still me said:

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/ybfsmj

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Smartasses, they are!

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Jobst Brandt

Gee, I thought that dangerous features implemented in ways to
endanger unsuspecting drivers and damage their vehicles were a
uniquely US feature. It's good to know stupidity is worldwide.

Apart from the obvious warnings the drivers ignored, I don't
actually have a problem with the idea of occasional road
dangers for motorists. It might keep them paying attention.
Think of it as the cager equivalent of being doored for a
bicyclist , or getting hooked by a turning car. As a bicyclist,
because you always have to be alert for the possibilities, you
develop a certain hyper-alertness to the road. Too many
motorists are insensate or not paying enough attention -
of course these are the same ones that tell you bicycling is
dangerous, as if driving wasn't. It wouldn't be such a bad thing
if driving _required_ more attention.

BTW, this isn't cager-hate - I drive a car too. I learned to
ride a bike in traffic before learning to drive and I think it
helped learning to drive (though of course my driving the
first year was still awful, as everyone's is).

Ben

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Apart from the obvious warnings the drivers ignored, I don't
actually have a problem with the idea of occasional road
dangers for motorists. It might keep them paying attention.
Think of it as the cager equivalent of being doored for a
bicyclist , or getting hooked by a turning car. As a bicyclist,
because you always have to be alert for the possibilities, you
develop a certain hyper-alertness to the road. Too many
motorists are insensate or not paying enough attention -
of course these are the same ones that tell you bicycling is
dangerous, as if driving wasn't. It wouldn't be such a bad thing
if driving _required_ more attention.

We could start by outlawing air bags, and requiring
that a television be installed on the dashboard of
every car.

--
Michael Press

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http://tinyurl.com/ybfsmj

Smartasses, they are!

Jobst Brandt

Are you so incompetent that you can't post a direct URL? Consider happens
when tinyurl ceases to function. (Hint: the link is broken, with no
recourse to even trying to figure out it was via for instance archive.org)

I won't even mention what they're doing for revenue. Why even include this
extra layer of obfuscation? And by the way, off topic posts are preceded
by OT:

Lou Holtman said:

Quoted message said:

Lou Holtman writes:

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/ybfsmj

Quoted message said:

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>> Smartasses, they are!

Quoted message said:

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> Fantastic. Dumb drivers. I hope the kid in the Merc was ok.

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Merc?

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You know, the car with the three pointed star from Untertürkheim.

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Jobst Brandt

Ja, Ich weiss was ein Mercedes ist, aber I glaube das war kein Mercedes.

Lou
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Es tut mir Leid, I thought the black SUV was a Merc.

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:53:07 -0800, Don Barcode <"@@@.@@."@> in

rec.bicycles.tech said:

Are you so incompetent that you can't post a direct URL?

Are you so incompetent in life that you have to flame someone for
using tinyURL and not meeting your personal definition of perfection?

Quoted message said:

Consider happens
when tinyurl ceases to function.

I think it's here for the duration.

Quoted message said:

(Hint: the link is broken, with no
recourse to even trying to figure out it was via for instance archive.org)

Who cares. It's a USEnet post, not directions for launching the nukes
in the former USSR.

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I won't even mention what they're doing for revenue.

Why not?

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Why even include this extra layer of obfuscation?

To help with the wrapping problem in USEnet posts?

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And by the way, off topic posts are preceded
by OT:

Thanks for policing the group. We'll call on you again in the future.
You might want to add your name and phone number next time so we can
call you directly.

Per [email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/ybfsmj

Great choice of music!

I don't get the last one - with the two vans.

Seems like maybe tradesmen or delivery people or some such are
authorized to enter the area and the second guy might have just
been following the first one in to some job site or delivery
location and maybe didn't even see the things.

OTOH, you'd think that bollard lore would be pretty firmly
entrenched in the public consciousness after a few years...

--
PeteCresswell

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:05:43 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Per [email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/ybfsmj

Great choice of music!

I don't get the last one - with the two vans.

Seems like maybe tradesmen or delivery people or some such are
authorized to enter the area and the second guy might have just
been following the first one in to some job site or delivery
location and maybe didn't even see the things.

OTOH, you'd think that bollard lore would be pretty firmly
entrenched in the public consciousness after a few years...

Dear Pete,

In that final brief episode, the van with legitimate business and a
radio control is pulling through the bollards, while the jackass
behind him with no radio to control the bollards is obviously trying
to blast through the pedestrian crossing from another angle--the
bollards may have stopped him from hitting the van ahead of him.

As for "not seeing the things," play the opening scene again--no
reasonable person is going believe anyone who claims that he failed to
see those two huge signs on either side of the barriers.

http://tinyurl.com/ybfsmj

Every summer, [censored] just like the ones in the video drive half a
mile the wrong way through the City Park in Pueblo, head-on into
one-way traffic around blind corners, because the east entrance to the
park is closed with a metal gate on Sundays.

These jerks invariably claim that they didn't see the signs saying
"no-entrance" and "wrong-way" when they came to the 20-foot wide gate
closing their half of the street, stopped, and then swerved three
lanes over.

For some odd reason, the morons lose their ability to read glaringly
obvious signs only early in the morning, when they think that there
won't be any traffic coming through the one-way street--just as the
idiots in the videos are blind to the signs only when they think they
can blast past through behind a legitimate car and go fast enough to
escape the rising bollards--which they have sat and watched, rising
and falling, as they planned their attack.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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As for "not seeing the things," play the opening scene again--no
reasonable person is going believe anyone who claims that he failed to
see those two huge signs on either side of the barriers.

It's a little hard to tell, but I don't think those signs say anything
like "severe vehicle damage and personal injury will occur". I think
you need more warning than "authorized vehicles only" when the result
may be serious personal injury for an infraction.

People can be absent minded, or just plain ignorant, or just plain
violating the law for personal benefit; I think the penalty here
exceeds the infraction.

still me said:

It's a little hard to tell, but I don't think those signs say anything
like "severe vehicle damage and personal injury will occur". I think
you need more warning than "authorized vehicles only" when the result
may be serious personal injury for an infraction.

People can be absent minded, or just plain ignorant, or just plain
violating the law for personal benefit; I think the penalty here
exceeds the infraction.

Where I have seen this type of access control in use in England, the signs
also say DANGER: RISING BOLLARDS.

If you think that driving our car over or through large, rising metal
barriers will NOT result in any danger to yourself, I submit that perhaps
you are not qualified to operate a motor vehicle on public rights of way.

--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com