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Nancy,
Fried Chicken is fairly low calorie if you peel it first.

What on earth is the point of peeling fried chicken? I *promise*
you, the chicken was not presented as peeled. It was good
old fried chicken. Skin on. They also compared glazed donuts,
other stuff ... I think their calculations were way off.

Please do not be in any way offended, I am so not yelling
at you.

Quoted message said:

even then, the eleven pieces had better be wings.

I believe that wings are quite fatty? No?

Quoted message said:

Google says : (www.nutristrategy.com/nutrition/calories.htm)
Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories Carbohydrates: 1
gram = 4 calories Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories

After all that, I think there are too many people worrying about what
other people eat, and not enough people worrying about what they eat.

I couldn't agree more. These fast food stories have gotten out of
control. Yes, I know, it has a lot of fat and calories.

Quoted message said:

For me, I'll skip the BK version, and eat at home. Two eggs over easy,
three or four strips of bacon (maybe five or six), and a couple slices
of toast with butter and maybe jelly. If I have the time, I'll add a
huge pile of hashbrowns with cheese and onions and plenty of salt and
pepper. I'll wash it down with either (whole) milk or a large glass of
juice. See, homecooking is so much healthier than that fast food
[censored].<g>

(laughing)

Quoted message said:

As for how bad 700+ calories are for breakfast, consider that most
nutritionists suggests breakfast should be the largest meal of the day,

Exactly, I don't think it's that big a deal, assuming you don't get them
4 times a day or something.

Quoted message said:

and that the average person burns 2000-3000 calories per day. It looks
like BK is on target at breakfast, and it is their lunch and dinner
menus that need work, nutritionally speaking. Of course you can always
order a chicken whopper and a salad. Nobody's ever been shot at BK for
ordering that kind of stuff.

Funny. No, if I do find myself there on occasion, I am so not getting a
salad. I'm getting the whopper. Can I eat it all? probably not, but
I'm not having some girly salad. I have salad at home.

Quoted message said:

P.S. Starbucks calls it a mocha frappuccino IIRC

I guess I said it wrong. Don't like coffee places, don't drink
coffee, so no surprise I messed up. Still, way more calories
than the enormous omelette thing.

nancy

Nola said:

Have you ever seen poor people at the checkout? They're the ones using food
stamps to pay for the chips, dip, Blue Bunny ice cream, pizza rolls, Tyson
fajita's in a bag, Hormel BBQ port in tub (ready to heat and eat)
etc.

You've described what the typical highly-paid doctors' families around
me buy, unless someone in the household is currently dieting (and then
just put a "lite" on every item...)

I think it matters where you shop, since I *do* shop where a lot of
poor people shop, and for many of them the typical grocery basket
isn't chock full of junk food. More usually it's filled with
calorically dense low-cost food:

(a) rice
(b) beans
(c) bread
(d) whatever cold cuts are on a really good sale
(e) whatever canned food is on sale

Then again, I do know a lot of people that don't have a good idea how
to shop cost-effectively.

--
Richard W Kaszeta
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http://www.kaszeta.org/rich

Nola said:

Gregory Morrow said:

For a lot of poorer folks fast food is a big treat, the only bright spot
in
their dreary lives...

Please...........
As Emeril might say; I don't know where you see poor people, but where I see
them, fast food ain't no treat - it's a constant.

Have you ever seen poor people at the checkout? They're the ones using food
stamps to pay for the chips, dip, Blue Bunny ice cream, pizza rolls, Tyson
fajita's in a bag, Hormel BBQ port in tub (ready to heat and eat) etc. Oh,
and cash for the beer/whiskey/vodka and cigarettes - all of which are
usually the cheapest white label or store brand.

I get so PO's seeing how my tax dollars are wasted; it's not that I begrudge
them the money, it's what it's spent on. Some of that money should go to
teach, and enforce, good nutrition choices.

I've been poor. I can assure you that not everyone who is poor behaves
in the manner that you are refering too. It's that the one's who do
behave that way are the ones who stick out in our minds. I probably
noticed the bad behavior more when I was broke than I do now. I
remember wanting to slay people who were buying lobsters and nice steaks
with their foodstamps while I had $45-$60 to spend on groceries for the
week or sometimes two weeks. When I was a young SAH mom we just got by,
barely most of the time. I could easily feed three people well on
roughly $45 a week (early 90s), cigarettes and booze didn't even come to
mind I had a light bill to pay, rent, insurance, et cetera. When you
don't have a lot of money to spend it's amazing how far a $6 roaster
will stretch, three meals and leftovers on the chicken soup. Damn glad
that I don't have to worry about those sorts of things anymore.

Jessica

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Andy said:

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Quoted message said:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Felice Friese wrote:
>
> Hate to say this, but BK has a point: It's a choice. A choice,
> dammit. You don't want it? Don't eat it.

Ooo, but it's so tempting, Fat, salt, cheap, fast.

MK (who will try to resist)

And just think how suave you'll look driving down the street with that
"omelette" in one hand and your cell phone in the other. 😉

I don't own one. 🙂

MK

An omelette or a car?

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

jmcquown said:

Gregory Morrow said:

Sheldon wrote:
[from the article]

"Morgan Spurlock, who ridiculed McDonald's in Super Size Me, says
Burger King's new item, "should come with a $5-off coupon for your
first angioplasty."

Believe me the demographic to which this is targeted, e.g. lower -
class white and lower - class inner - city minority males cares not a
whit about the nutritional content of this (or any item ) that they
eat. Lower - class types basically do nothing but eat trash,
they've got bigger things to worry about, e.g. day - to - day
survival...

For a lot of poorer folks fast food is a big treat, the only bright
spot in their dreary lives...

Greg, shame on you! I'm not a huge proponent of the PC Police but that's
just *wrong*.

It's what I see, Jill...FWIW however skewed that may be...

--
Best
Greg

Nancy Young said:

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Quoted message said:

Nancy,
Fried Chicken is fairly low calorie if you peel it first.

What on earth is the point of peeling fried chicken?

Lol...

I
*promise*

Quoted message said:

you, the chicken was not presented as peeled. It was good
old fried chicken. Skin on. They also compared glazed donuts,
other stuff ... I think their calculations were way off.

Yeah there was a LOT of food piled up there displayed on the teevee
screen...I was like "huh?".

The omelette sandwich as pictured being put together looked like one of
those plastic fake food display items that you in the windows of some sushi
joints...'cept this was no sushi ;-)

--
Best
Greg

Nancy Young said:

*Maybe it's just me, but that calorie count doesn't sound all that
alarming, considering it's not much more than a big mac or a
whopper. Then, this morning I saw someone show what other
food you could eat instead and get the same calories. Get this,
they said something like 11 pieces of fried chicken. On WHAT
planet is that much fried chicken only 700/whatever calories.
Not a chance. Then they pointed out a Starbucks frapowhatever
blew the BK thing out of the water, caloriewise.

nancy (sorry about the formatting, my software flips out on
occasion)

And for you Paula Deen fans, there's Praline French Toast Casserole
for breakfast (eggs, sugar, and butter):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7318007/

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Nola said:

[snip]

Have you ever seen poor people at the checkout? They're the ones
using food stamps to pay for the chips, dip, Blue Bunny ice cream,
pizza rolls, Tyson fajita's in a bag, Hormel BBQ port in tub (ready
to heat and eat) etc. Oh, and cash for the beer/whiskey/vodka and
cigarettes - all of which are usually the cheapest white label or
store brand.

That's not what I see at all. I do most of my shopping, not counting
excursions to the asian market, at two supermarkets. One is a national
chain in an upper middle class neighborhood, the other is a local
market in a lower middle class, mostly minority neighborhood. They
have different selections of meat and produce, both of which I use, so
I go to both. At the upperscale market checkout line I see tons of the
chips, dips, frozen fast foods, etc. you describe. At the lowerscale
market I see fresh fruits and vegetables, beans, rice, tortillas, and
the meat is cheaper cuts and 'select' grade but it's fresh. You don't
have to be a snob to know where the value is for your money or your
coupons.

Quoted message said:

I get so PO's seeing how my tax dollars are wasted; it's not that
I begrudge them the money, it's what it's spent on. Some of that
money should go to teach, and enforce, good nutrition choices.

"teach and enforce"? Teach, yeah, but teach everybody, not just the
folks who need assistance from *your* tax dollars. Enforce? How the
hell would you do that? You want a "means test"? No, you can't buy
those frozen fast foods because your income is too low? That can't be
what you meant...no one is that stupid. -aem

Nola said:

Gregory Morrow said:

For a lot of poorer folks fast food is a big treat, the only bright spot
in
their dreary lives...

Please...........
As Emeril might say; I don't know where you see poor people, but where I

see

Quoted message said:

them, fast food ain't no treat - it's a constant.

Have you ever seen poor people at the checkout?

Yes, they are primarily elderly in my area. Many are southeast Asian
(refugees)...

[And several times I've seen some of these elderly poor checking out and
their LINK card (food "stamp" card in Illanoy) is denied because it has no
more $ on it. I'll buy the items for them and give them them a few bux
besides...it's heartbreaking to see. I have a lot of sympathy for them,
they can't help their station in life. It's the welfare moos that spurt out
kid after kid to get more benefits that I get angry at...luckily I rarely
see these types.]

Quoted message said:

I get so PO's seeing how my tax dollars are wasted; it's not that I

begrudge

Quoted message said:

them the money, it's what it's spent on. Some of that money should go to
teach, and enforce, good nutrition choices.

That's pretty impossible to do unless you force folx to take rations in lieu
of food stamp - ish options ('though WIC does IIRC give out only certain
food stuffs). This ain't Leningrad during the Siege...

One thing we luckier ones forget is that being poor is HARD work...and if
yer poor your options are really limited. Lotsa poorer nabes don't have
decent stores that sell fresher stuff at decent prices, they make their $$$
off of tabacky, booze and lotto tix...

Lotsa poorer folx don't have much in the way of transport to get out of
their neighborhoods to shop at a decent place...and even if they do they may
not have means for carfare (basic one - way public transit fare is $1.75
here in Chicawgo, that's a lot of money to someone on a strict budget)

I'm decently off but I try to keep a food budget. I'll only buy meats and
veg and basically most anything only if on sale. I look around my store and
think "Now if I were really poor what could I buy say meat - wise?
Lessee...here's some cheapo hot dogs for $1.29...some chicken quarters for
$.59/lb (these are about 50% waste from what I see most of the time).
Canned mackerel is pretty cheap... That's about it. Same with nice fresh
or even frozen veg/fruits, they are fairly expensive. It can take a lot of
money to buy the ingredients for a basic tossed salad. Just not much of a
healthy - wise choice for pennies...least - wise where I shop, and my place
has good prices.

I see ads for the stores in poorer areas of Chicawgo and they've got lotsa
chitlins, baloney, boxes of breaded chicken wings and the like. They are a
little better in the veg department, but they sell big jugs of sugary orange
"drink" and cheapo pizzas (4 for a buck), etc. I guess the stuff sells
because they sure do advertise it.

--
Best
Greg

"Gal Called J.J." <snip>

Quoted message said:

I'm not going to have any problem resisting this one. While I do
love fast food on occasion (McD's sausage McMuffin with egg!), I've
yet to find any BK menu item that tastes good to me...

--
J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~

===========

I like their Sausage, Egg, & cheese Croissantwich with mayo and mustard
added!! Yummm

Cyndi

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

I doubt this new breakfast sandwich will be a success for Burger King
for one simple reason. Its so large that it cannot be eaten with one
hand while driving a car. No one in their right mind eats a fast food
sandwich for breakfast if they are not in a hurry. Those who are not in
a hurry to eat breakfast do not "rush" to Burger King to eat if they
have a choice.

Careful there Stan, one day you may have to EAT those words.

;-)

Dimitri

In sf said:

I'm not a big breakfast eater, but I need food in my stomach before I
get to work and sometimes I crave a sausage McMuffin! It's not all
that crazy when you think about it... english muffins, sausage and egg
- if you feel like eating an egg too. So, if I can get myself out the
door early enough, paying a buck or two for something I like (I'm not
a morning person) is fine by me.

Yes, I like the sausage McMuffin as well, but then again, I like
everything at McDonald's. It's my kinda place you know.

Quoted message said:

BTW: In my neck 'o the woods, the outlet where I go to the drive thru
makes good, STRONG coffee so I order that too.

Don't drink coffee but love the coke ;-)

--
Cheers

Dennis

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In article <[email hidden]>,

jmcquown said:

Gregory Morrow said:

Sheldon wrote:
[from the article]

"Morgan Spurlock, who ridiculed McDonald's in Super Size Me, says
Burger King's new item, "should come with a $5-off coupon for your
first angioplasty."

Believe me the demographic to which this is targeted, e.g. lower -
class white and lower - class inner - city minority males cares not a
whit about the nutritional content of this (or any item ) that they
eat. Lower - class types basically do nothing but eat trash,
they've got bigger things to worry about, e.g. day - to - day
survival...

For a lot of poorer folks fast food is a big treat, the only bright
spot in their dreary lives...

Greg, shame on you! I'm not a huge proponent of the PC Police but that's
just *wrong*.

Jill

Jill,

I hate to agree with him, but he is right. :-(
I know some poorer folk in my area, and I know what they eat!

They eat what is cheap. What is affordable, or whatever stuff the food
bank can pass out. Trash food is cheap food.

Pasta is a mainstay because it's cheap and filling. Spagetti, with the
cheapest ground beef they can get, boxed macaroni and cheese, Ramen
noodles, hot dogs, lots of bread, etc. Rice, beans, corn and flour
tortillas.

The only really healthy food they eat is chicken hindquarters, milk,
cheap cheese and a few fresh veggies in season as they can afford.
She gets cheese on WIC for her kids. That will end soon. :-( Same for
the milk.

Eating out, even at Wackydonalds is a treat! An expensive one...

Whenever I'm feeling flush, I go to the store and spend a couple of
hundred bucks on some better quality foods (fresh and fresh frozen
veggies, some better quality meats and a few treats) for the one poorer
family that I help to support in my area. I pay her for small tasks I'm
perfectly capable of doing myself, but whenever she is hurting, she
calls me and asks me for work to do rather than just asking for money.

She cleans my floors thoroughly twice per month for $50.00 each time,
(does an ok job, not great but ok) and I also pay her to do yard work.
Weeding, mowing etc. and sometimes oddball laundry that I don't want in
my washer such as soiled area rugs and stuff.

Being poor has nothing to do with being PC!

It's reality and it sucks.

I'll share my own story of being in junior high and being very poor
someday. I know what it's like when $20.00 is a fortune and has to last
you a week for food for a family of 4!!!

One reason I made damned sure I finished college. ;-)

--
K.

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Nola said:

Gregory Morrow said:

For a lot of poorer folks fast food is a big treat, the only bright spot
in
their dreary lives...

Please...........
As Emeril might say; I don't know where you see poor people, but where I see
them, fast food ain't no treat - it's a constant.

Then they are not that poor.
Fast food is FAR cheaper than, say, 5 packages of top Ramen or 4 boxes
of generic macaroni and cheese.

Quoted message said:

Have you ever seen poor people at the checkout? They're the ones using food
stamps to pay for the chips, dip, Blue Bunny ice cream, pizza rolls, Tyson
fajita's in a bag, Hormel BBQ port in tub (ready to heat and eat) etc. Oh,
and cash for the beer/whiskey/vodka and cigarettes - all of which are
usually the cheapest white label or store brand.

IF they can GET food stamps!!!
Here in Texas, it's not that easy.

With two kids, this family that I know gets $20.00 per month in food
stamps. She uses it to get dairy products.

Quoted message said:

I get so PO's seeing how my tax dollars are wasted; it's not that I begrudge
them the money, it's what it's spent on. Some of that money should go to
teach, and enforce, good nutrition choices.

<sad smile>
If you judge poverty by what you are seeing in the grocery store lines
with food stamps, you know nothing of TRUE poverty!

Those people are the lucky ones.......

--
K.

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Richard Kaszeta said:

Nola said:

Have you ever seen poor people at the checkout? They're the ones using food
stamps to pay for the chips, dip, Blue Bunny ice cream, pizza rolls, Tyson
fajita's in a bag, Hormel BBQ port in tub (ready to heat and eat)
etc.

You've described what the typical highly-paid doctors' families around
me buy, unless someone in the household is currently dieting (and then
just put a "lite" on every item...)

I think it matters where you shop, since I *do* shop where a lot of
poor people shop, and for many of them the typical grocery basket
isn't chock full of junk food. More usually it's filled with
calorically dense low-cost food:

(a) rice
(b) beans
(c) bread
(d) whatever cold cuts are on a really good sale
(e) whatever canned food is on sale

Then again, I do know a lot of people that don't have a good idea how
to shop cost-effectively.

The TRULY poor do......

They learn, or their kids starve.
--
K.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Jessica V. said:

Nola said:

Gregory Morrow said:

For a lot of poorer folks fast food is a big treat, the only bright spot
in
their dreary lives...

Please...........
As Emeril might say; I don't know where you see poor people, but where I see
them, fast food ain't no treat - it's a constant.

Have you ever seen poor people at the checkout? They're the ones using food
stamps to pay for the chips, dip, Blue Bunny ice cream, pizza rolls, Tyson
fajita's in a bag, Hormel BBQ port in tub (ready to heat and eat) etc. Oh,
and cash for the beer/whiskey/vodka and cigarettes - all of which are
usually the cheapest white label or store brand.

I get so PO's seeing how my tax dollars are wasted; it's not that I begrudge
them the money, it's what it's spent on. Some of that money should go to
teach, and enforce, good nutrition choices.

I've been poor. I can assure you that not everyone who is poor behaves
in the manner that you are refering too. It's that the one's who do
behave that way are the ones who stick out in our minds. I probably
noticed the bad behavior more when I was broke than I do now. I
remember wanting to slay people who were buying lobsters and nice steaks
with their foodstamps while I had $45-$60 to spend on groceries for the
week or sometimes two weeks. When I was a young SAH mom we just got by,
barely most of the time. I could easily feed three people well on
roughly $45 a week (early 90s), cigarettes and booze didn't even come to
mind I had a light bill to pay, rent, insurance, et cetera. When you
don't have a lot of money to spend it's amazing how far a $6 roaster
will stretch, three meals and leftovers on the chicken soup. Damn glad
that I don't have to worry about those sorts of things anymore.

Jessica

Amen sister! ;-)

This is a subject very near and dear to my heart...

Been there!

We were lucky when we were really at the bottom. We lived in CA near a
lot of agricultural areas. Literally TONS of food are wasted and left in
the fields after harvest, and the farmers have no objection to
"gleaning". We (and a few equally poor neighbors) picked up burlap sacks
full of potatoes, onions, carrots and other root veggies and traded them
with other neighbors for other types of food.

Dad shot/poached deer, squirrels and rabbits, plus we had our own
chickens and fed them scraps, leftovers and only enough grain feeds to
get them by. We also had a very large garden.

We never did go hungry...

We made our own pet food for the cats and dogs from oatmeal and dead
chickens from a local chicken ranch. They were only too happy to have us
haul off 50 dead birds so they did not have to dispose of them. They
usually burn them. I helped mom clean those birds and with the help of
the pressure cooker, they were converted into pet food in loaf pans,
then frozen. ;-)

Meat for us, other than what dad shot, we got a deal on fresh turkey
backs from a local turkey processing plant for only 15 cents per lb. Mom
canned that meat and canned turkey was good for a LOT of different
recipes!

Mom also baked bread from scratch. It was cheaper than buying it.

It was a rough time in our lives and I hope I never have to live like
that again......

It was educational.

We never did get food stamps either.

--
K.

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Katra said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Nola said:

Gregory Morrow said:

For a lot of poorer folks fast food is a big treat, the only bright spot
in
their dreary lives...

Please...........
As Emeril might say; I don't know where you see poor people, but where I see
them, fast food ain't no treat - it's a constant.

Then they are not that poor.
Fast food is FAR cheaper than, say, 5 packages of top Ramen or 4 boxes
of generic macaroni and cheese.

Whoops, that should have read as "Far less cheap"!!!

Sorry!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Have you ever seen poor people at the checkout? They're the ones using food
stamps to pay for the chips, dip, Blue Bunny ice cream, pizza rolls, Tyson
fajita's in a bag, Hormel BBQ port in tub (ready to heat and eat) etc. Oh,
and cash for the beer/whiskey/vodka and cigarettes - all of which are
usually the cheapest white label or store brand.

IF they can GET food stamps!!!
Here in Texas, it's not that easy.

With two kids, this family that I know gets $20.00 per month in food
stamps. She uses it to get dairy products.

Quoted message said:

I get so PO's seeing how my tax dollars are wasted; it's not that I begrudge
them the money, it's what it's spent on. Some of that money should go to
teach, and enforce, good nutrition choices.

<sad smile>
If you judge poverty by what you are seeing in the grocery store lines
with food stamps, you know nothing of TRUE poverty!

Those people are the lucky ones.......

--
K.

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Katra said:

Fast food is FAR cheaper than, say, 5 packages of top Ramen
or 4 boxes of generic macaroni and cheese.

Yes, I saw the later post where you corrected yourself to say that the ramen
and the mac & cheese were less expensive than the fast food, and you're
correct in that. But the assumption is that the people in question have a
way to COOK those foods, and sometimes that isn't the case.

Bob

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Fried Chicken is fairly low calorie if you peel it first.

What on earth is the point of peeling fried chicken? I *promise*
you, the chicken was not presented as peeled. It was good
old fried chicken. Skin on. They also compared glazed donuts,
other stuff ... I think their calculations were way off.

Agreed, see below.

Quoted message said:

Please do not be in any way offended, I am so not yelling
at you.

Quoted message said:

even then, the eleven pieces had better be wings.

I believe that wings are quite fatty? No?

<snip>

Yes, but they yield a lot less than, say, a thigh. According to the
USDA National Nutritional Database (a great little program free program
that I found on their website), a floured and fried thigh with skin has
162 calories, while a wing of the same variety has 103...

--
J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~
"You still haven't explained why the pool is
filled with elf blood." - Frylock, ATHF

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Fried Chicken is fairly low calorie if you peel it first.

What on earth is the point of peeling fried chicken? I *promise*
you, the chicken was not presented as peeled. It was good
old fried chicken. Skin on. They also compared glazed donuts,
other stuff ... I think their calculations were way off.

Agreed, see below.

Quoted message said:

Please do not be in any way offended, I am so not yelling
at you.

Quoted message said:

even then, the eleven pieces had better be wings.

I believe that wings are quite fatty? No?

<snip>

Yes, but they yield a lot less than, say, a thigh. According to the
USDA National Nutritional Database (a great little program free program
that I found on their website), a floured and fried thigh with skin has
162 calories, while a wing of the same variety has 103...

--
J.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~
"You still haven't explained why the pool is
filled with elf blood." - Frylock, ATHF