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    "Tucson, Arizona has really beautiful mountain roads,but it's really hot in
    the summer.

    "San Diego has fabulous weather and there are hills enough nearby. And the
    ocean is beautiful.

    "Tucson: Biking is great, just stay indoors between 11am and 3pm.

    "Not mountainous, but nice and hilly....central Texas hill country does
    offer some very fine cycling fare....Fredericksburg, Kerrville and lots of
    smaller towns.

    "Central Texas. I live in Austin now, and cycling here is great. No long
    climbs, but there are plenty of steep ones. There's even the annual Tour das
    Hugel, which climbs 9,000 feet in 100 miles, and much of the climbing is
    over a 10% grade - with some spots up to 26%.

    "Here in the Dallas area, the wind is usually 15-25 mph
    daily. Constant wind even if the weather is otherwise nice. Was up near the
    Red River
    and could only manage 8-10 mph into the wind. North TX is pretty flat with
    moderate weather, good for
    everyday riding 12 months out of the year, but if you want hills, you will
    need to go to the TX Hill Country.

    "Wind in CenTex varies a lot, and most of the time it's pretty still. It's
    rarely strong, but sometimes plays into rides. Not the 10mph/40mph
    upwind/downwind split mentioned in Dallas. It's more of a 16mph/28mph
    difference when it's strong.

    "It's not as bad as Boulder in April -- I got blown right off of HWY 93.

    " I could easily spend a couple months in Maui, but don't think I'd want to
    retire there.
    But if I did, wonder how often I'd be riding up Haleakala?
    http://www.chainreaction.com/haleakala.htm.

    "Someone else already suggested central Texas, and that's an area with
    pretty much whatever kind of mix you want, as long as the small-town
    attitudes aren't a problem. If you like it dry, hot in the summer,
    and artsy, then Marfa, TX might be a good choice. Much of northern
    California might also fit the bill if you like it damper and cooler, and
    Prescott in Arizona is pretty, on a mountain, and has fairly decent weather
    though it gets cold in the winter. Not much flat around it, though; unless
    you really like climbing, there are probably
    better choices. Flagstaff has terrain and atmosphere, and the Grand Canyon
    is just a looooong climb uphill through varying types of forest and scrub.
    Santa Fe, NM is another potentially good choice IMO. A lot depends on what
    kind of weather you consider pleasant. I like
    what I've got here in Houston, but my SO considers the summers to be
    unmitigated hell.

    "I never found South Florida as uncomfortable as Houston.

    "Actually New Orleans is a bit hotter than Houston. We noticed it when we
    used to go there.

    "In Houston, our summer weather is really horrible. I have done too many
    races at 6pm in the park when you could steam eggs (frying with high
    humidity) on the top tube. Our rides start at 7am and you really need to be
    off the road by 11. On the other hand, you can ride for most of the winter
    in what most places consider summer jersey and shorts.

    We have a number of really terrific bike clubs and there is always an
    organized ride to do. In April we have a huge MS150 from Houston to Austin.
    There are numerous organized rides that lead up to the MS150.
    The roads are reasonable. but Houston is not a bike friendly town. Not like
    Seattle. They have a bike culture that is absolutely stunning. The Cascade
    club has something like 5,500 members. The scenery is exquisite and the
    roads are beautiful. Olympic Peninsula.

    "I recommend either here in eastern Pennsylvania, or Maryland/Delaware. We
    do have winter to deal with; not too bad. A great selection of rolling
    hills, picturesque landscape, and quiet, scenic roads. If you avoid the
    Philadelphia area, also, prices are quite reasonable. Riding in Lancaster
    County is full of surprises: Amish
    buggies/farms, gorgeous creeks and valleys, and surprisingly challenging
    hills. Here in Lehigh/Northampton counties, the hills tend to be even
    more substantial, but we make up for it with quiet country roads, covered
    bridges, and one of the best velodromes in the country.

    "The mid-Atlantic region meets most of the specs. Winter is the only issue.
    The weather is generally cold for
    cycling. I'd investigate something further south for warmer winters.

    "If you like hills, I'd pick right here in Blacksburg, VA. If you want a
    sample, come to our Cycling Doubleheader
    this spring (www.mountainsofmisery.com).
    We do have real winter weather, but it's nice in between. It's rarely cold
    or icy for more than a few days.

    "Northern CA is great too, if you can afford to live well enough there.

    "One of the most beautiful places I've been to was the high desert area of
    Oregon (which actually extends
    up into Washington). Doesn't rain very much there, and it's got mountains,
    valleys, you name it. Not too crowded yet, but retiring Californians are
    beginning to change that. The lack of jobs helps keep costs reasonable
    though.

    "Living in eastern Oregon, you'd be a short ways from Western Oregon and the
    Willamette Valley, which is wonderful cycling territory in late
    spring/summer/fall. (That's where I live now). Not too bad outside of
    the very depths of winter, either. If I could somehow afford two houses,
    I'd like in Western Oregon April through October and Eastern Oregon November
    through March.

    " I live in Bend Oregon, which is considered Central Oregon. Biking here is
    absolutely fantastic, road and mountain biking, but only from about April
    through October. The rest of the year we're apt to have snow on
    the ground.

    "Come to the UK you will get all weathers and all terrains in the space of a
    few days!

    "I've been all over the western US, and my favorite *mountain* riding town
    is Silver City, NM. Great roads with little traffic, awesome
    scenery, sunny mild climate (low 50s in Jan, high 80s in July),
    affordable (median house price is currently <$120K), and a good mix of
    artists and rednecks. They have probably the best stage race in the
    country every year in late April- early May (Tour of the Gila). It's a town
    of 10,000 people though, that is about 100 miles from a bigger town.

    "Flagstaff and Santa Fe are not very good, because of lots of traffic
    and roads with no shoulders. They are also much colder in the winter
    than Silver City. Cultural distractions are much more numerous, though.
    I also liked the Temecula, CA area and north San Diego county. Great
    weather and lots of good roads... but traffic is getting worse all the
    time. Also, it's very expensive.

    "Tucson? Good in the winter because it is warm... but not for the rest of
    the year.

    "Hawaii? Nice and warm, but also a good bit of rain (most places)... and
    lots of traffic. The roads on Kauai (where I live) are all dangerous...and
    the climbing is only good on the SW side.

    "SW Virginia really is terrific. There are great cycling towns all through
    the mountains of VA, NC, TN, and SC. I've heard Lance Armstrong has a house
    in Boone, NC. George Hincapie is from Greenville, SC.

    "My parents have lived in Temecula since 1987 and it has rarely been over
    100. I ride there year round, it may be warmer than Orange County but it's
    considerably cooler than where I live and areas further inland. And
    Temecula/Fallbrook has lots of little traveled yet
    steep roads, and there are tons of SD north county rides nearby.

    "Temecula and Fallbrook are a lot closer to the ocean than you think.

    "

    Agreed. I have family in Murietta (next door to Temecula), and I'm there a
    lot. I don't think I've ever been there when it's over 100. My father
    lives in Hemet, which is even farther inland, and it gets over 100 there
    only a few days out of the year.

    " SC in the Greenville area. A nice selection of terrain from flat near
    Greenville to mountainous in the areas north of Pickens. Roads are pretty
    good and traffic not too terrible. I visit there every year for a cycling
    holiday. Cost of living much lower than places like San Diego. Although
    San Diego does have the advantage of
    having a nice velodrome with active programs.

    "Regarding Temecula: It is pretty hot in the summer. As I recall it can be
    over 100 degrees fairly often, but the humidity is very low, and it usually
    gets down to
    60 at night. The normal weather pattern is for 60 degrees in the early
    morning, warming to 90-100 by noon, with a strong and cooling sea breeze
    thereafter. Just a few miles to the south or west, the hot temps rarely
    happen... north SD county is more ideal. Lots of paved roads
    snaking through estate areas with little traffic. Busier roads tend to have
    nice shoulders.

    "The toughest one to find is a *good* year-round climate for cycling...
    pretty much need to go to California, or southern Arizona- New Mexico
    for that. The area of the Carolinas near the mountains is cold in the winter
    (mid 40s), and precipitation is high all year. I don't know about you, but
    I'd rather not be riding in the rain... especially if it's below 50.

    "I still think Silver City is tough to beat... *if* cost of living
    matters, and you don't mind being a long way from a big town. Ruidoso,
    NM is another good choice, and it is close to Alamogordo. Sierra Vista-
    Bisbee AZ are good, too.

    "The average high temperature in Temecula, CA in July and August is 98 F.

    "Fallbrook, CA summer: 84 average high. Absolutely perfect.

    "I was thinking somewhere roughly between Greenville, SC and Brevard, NC
    might be the ideal. Close enough to the mountains to go ride in the summer,
    far enough south that the lowlands should only be snowy or icy 5-10 days a
    year.
    But not SW Virginia. No, too much snow, roads are too windy and narrow,
    traffic density keeps going up, coal trucks. Phone service by (my
    uncle's name for it) Intermittent Telephone.
    (Former resident of Damascus and Wise).

    "Country roads around Blacksburg still offer world class riding. Topography
    and good planning will probably keep it that way, despite healthy growth.
    No communications problems here either, being a major university town and
    high-tech center.It does get a little warmer as you go south, but the
    disadvantage of that is more rain and ice instead of snow.

    "Not all of SoCal is look-alike suburbs. I would like to move from the city
    up to the
    hills, some place like Pine Valley, Descanso, or Julian (all in eastern San
    Diego County). The elevation is 4000 feet, so even on the two weeks a year
    that Temecula is 100 deg these communities are still nice. Development
    hasn't gotten there yet and it is (to me) cycling paradise. There are
    plenty of quite, well paved country roads with
    lots of challenging hills. The only drawback (and this is a big one) is the
    cost of housing.

    "Silver City, NM. Good medical there too.

    "Camarillo CA, Santa Paula, CA, Ojai, CA, Solvang, CA
    "Boulder, CO.

    "Colorado is beautiful much of the year. if you know how to use fenders
    Boulder is a beautiful jumping off point most of the year.

    "Fenders? hardly any moisture at all. small bits of snow twice here, lots in
    the mtns. High desert, very dry.

    "Have a base condo in Baja California's retirement area and a luxury
    Motorhome.

    "San Luis Obispo and the tri-cities area, CA

    "You might consider the Bay Area. The weather is pretty good . The motorists
    are relatively benign. Lots of choices in the East Bay and North Bay.

    "The Bay Area is nice, but too expensive of an area to retire in. The price
    of homes here is outrageous as well as the price of gas and general cost of
    living (higher than most states).

    "Hudson Bay, Canada?

    "Tampa Bay.

    "Green Bay, Paper Towel Capital of the World.

    "Forget about a house; invest in a luxury motorhome and you can have your
    pick of locations. Summer: the Shenandoah or the Adirondacks, how about
    Vermont or the Pacific Northwest? And winter, anywhere in the southern
    U.S. - or beyond!

    "AFAIK foreigners can now legally own land in Mexico. In the past,
    ownership was simulated by a loophole system of 99 year leases, etc.

    "British Columbia: Toured there this past summer, but it is really a MTBer's
    paradise. You know you're in B.C. when the MTBs cost more than the cars....

    "Tennessee is better than North Carolina, IMO, but both have enough snow to
    have to plow the back roads,
    and the potholes that result get pretty bad. NC mountains have some "paved"
    roads that make pickup trucks look like bicycles riding the cobblestones in
    France and Belgium. The roads in Wake County around the state capital are
    some of the best I've ever seen.

    Valuable comments all; Thanks!

    Jim

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