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this leaves the podium WIDE open. any predictions?
mine: Armstrong, Hamilton, Ullrich, not with much confidence.

i'd LIKE to see: Hamilton, Armstrong, Ullrich, but that's
wishful thinking !
 
What's the story with Vino? My newsreader wasn't getting
r.b.r for several weeks. I must have missed something
important.

-Bob
 
In article <[email protected]>, Bob <[email protected]>
wrote:

> What's the story with Vino? My newsreader wasn't getting
> r.b.r for several weeks. I must have missed something
> important.

There are other sources for bike racing stuff that don't
even need a newsreader. Cyclingnews.com, bike.com,
velonews.com, etc.

-WG
 
[email protected] wrote:

> this leaves the podium WIDE open. any predictions? mine:
> Armstrong, Hamilton, Ullrich, not with much confidence.
>
> i'd LIKE to see: Hamilton, Armstrong, Ullrich, but that's
> wishful thinking !

There are so many other contenders. Ivan Basso and Carlos
Sastre, Levi Leipheimer and Michael Rasmussen, Dario Frigo
and Aitor Gonzalez, Roberto Heras, Iban Mayo and Haimar
Zubeldia, Christophe Moreau, Bradley McGee (ha! just
kidding), Gilberto Simoni, and who knows, maybe R.A.G.T.
Semences' new team doctor will develop a groundbreaking
technique for extracting his riders' heads from inside their
rear ends...

Me, I tip Mayo...

-Sonarrat.
 
In article <[email protected]>, Sonarrat
<[email protected]> wrote:

> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > this leaves the podium WIDE open. any predictions? mine:
> > Armstrong, Hamilton, Ullrich, not with much confidence.
> >
> > i'd LIKE to see: Hamilton, Armstrong, Ullrich, but
> > that's wishful thinking !
>
> There are so many other contenders. Ivan Basso and Carlos
> Sastre, Levi Leipheimer and Michael Rasmussen, Dario Frigo
> and Aitor Gonzalez, Roberto Heras, Iban Mayo and Haimar
> Zubeldia, Christophe Moreau, Bradley McGee (ha! just
> kidding), Gilberto Simoni, and who knows, maybe R.A.G.T.
> Semences' new team doctor will develop a groundbreaking
> technique for extracting his riders' heads from inside
> their rear ends...
>
> Me, I tip Mayo...

How does Frigo get on your list? Can Heras do a TT
with the best?

-WG
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> this leaves the podium WIDE open. any predictions? mine:
> Armstrong, Hamilton, Ullrich, not with much confidence.
>
> i'd LIKE to see: Hamilton
... who is going to crash during the first day in the
prologue, on the start ramp, and is going to break
something.
 
"Jiyang Chen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > this leaves the podium WIDE open. any predictions? mine:
> > Armstrong, Hamilton, Ullrich, not with much confidence.
> >
> > i'd LIKE to see: Hamilton
> ... who is going to crash during the first day in the
> prologue, on the start ramp, and is going to break
> something.

But that horrible injury will spur him on to come in third.

Mike
 
Bob wrote:
> What's the story with Vino? My newsreader wasn't getting
> r.b.r for several weeks. I must have missed something
> important.
>
> -Bob
>
>
Vino crashed and burned on Tour de Suisse. Tore shoulder
ligaments and will miss the TdF.
 
"warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:160620042057184919%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Sonarrat
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > this leaves the podium WIDE open. any predictions?
> > > mine: Armstrong, Hamilton, Ullrich, not with much
> > > confidence.
> > >
> > > i'd LIKE to see: Hamilton, Armstrong, Ullrich, but
> > > that's wishful thinking
!
> >
> > There are so many other contenders. Ivan Basso and
> > Carlos Sastre, Levi Leipheimer and Michael Rasmussen,
> > Dario Frigo and Aitor Gonzalez, Roberto Heras, Iban Mayo
> > and Haimar Zubeldia, Christophe Moreau, Bradley McGee
> > (ha! just kidding), Gilberto Simoni, and who knows,
> > maybe R.A.G.T. Semences' new team doctor will develop a
> > groundbreaking technique for extracting his riders'
> > heads from inside their rear ends...
> >
> > Me, I tip Mayo...
>
> How does Frigo get on your list? Can Heras do a TT with
> the best?

Frigo has everything it takes. He has won time trials, stage
races, classics, and Giro & Tour road stages...

At the very least, Heras can do mountain ITTs as well as
anybody on this planet, including Mayo. And he has, in fact,
had good placings in ITTs lately... besides which, being on
the Liberty Seguros team, built on the former ONCE squad
which was dominant in TTTs and has all the necessary
firepower to support him, he has a leg up from the
beginning.

-Sonarrat.
 
In article <[email protected]>, Sonarrat
<[email protected]..> wrote:

> "warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:160620042057184919%[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Sonarrat <[email protected]> wrote:

> > > There are so many other contenders. Ivan Basso and
> > > Carlos Sastre, Levi Leipheimer and Michael Rasmussen,
> > > Dario Frigo and Aitor Gonzalez, Roberto Heras, Iban
> > > Mayo and Haimar Zubeldia, Christophe Moreau, Bradley
> > > McGee (ha! just kidding), Gilberto Simoni, and who
> > > knows, maybe R.A.G.T. Semences' new team doctor will
> > > develop a groundbreaking technique for extracting his
> > > riders' heads from inside their rear ends...
> > >
> > > Me, I tip Mayo...
> >
> > How does Frigo get on your list? Can Heras do a TT with
> > the best?
>
> Frigo has everything it takes. He has won time trials,
> stage races, classics, and Giro & Tour road stages...

What has he done without banned products/methods?

-WG
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> this leaves the podium WIDE open. any predictions? mine:
> Armstrong, Hamilton, Ullrich, not with much confidence.
>
> i'd LIKE to see: Hamilton, Armstrong, Ullrich, but that's
> wishful thinking
!
>
>

The previous winners aren't having much luck. Garzelli,
Vino, now , Luttenberger are out. THe remaining winners:
Camenzind, Zulle, Tonkov, Casagrande.Camenzind is doing well
enough, so barring a crash, he'll finish.
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> this leaves the podium WIDE open. any predictions? mine:
> Armstrong, Hamilton, Ullrich, not with much confidence.
>
> i'd LIKE to see: Hamilton, Armstrong, Ullrich, but that's
> wishful thinking
!
>
I forgot to mention Belli, in my previous post. I think he's
still in there!
 
Sonarrat <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> There are so many other contenders. Ivan Basso and Carlos
> Sastre, Levi Leipheimer and Michael Rasmussen, Dario Frigo
> and Aitor Gonzalez, Roberto Heras, Iban Mayo and Haimar
> Zubeldia, Christophe Moreau, Bradley McGee (ha! just
> kidding), Gilberto Simoni, and who knows, maybe R.A.G.T.
> Semences' new team doctor will develop a groundbreaking
> technique for extracting his riders' heads from inside
> their rear ends...

Levi and Julich will fight each other for top ten. Mayo will
disembowel himself trying to do a three week race without
assistance. Lance will race with Ullrich but Hamilton will
be the real threat.
 
In article <[email protected]>, Tom
Kunich <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sonarrat <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > There are so many other contenders. Ivan Basso and
> > Carlos Sastre, Levi Leipheimer and Michael Rasmussen,
> > Dario Frigo and Aitor Gonzalez, Roberto Heras, Iban Mayo
> > and Haimar Zubeldia, Christophe Moreau, Bradley McGee
> > (ha! just kidding), Gilberto Simoni, and who knows,
> > maybe R.A.G.T. Semences' new team doctor will develop a
> > groundbreaking technique for extracting his riders'
> > heads from inside their rear ends...
>
> Levi and Julich will fight each other for top ten. Mayo
> will disembowel himself trying to do a three week race
> without assistance. Lance will race with Ullrich but
> Hamilton will be the real threat.

This makes sense.

-WG
 
warren wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Sonarrat
> <[email protected]..> wrote:
>
>
>>"warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:160620042057184919%[email protected]...
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, Sonarrat
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>>There are so many other contenders. Ivan Basso and
>>>>Carlos Sastre, Levi Leipheimer and Michael Rasmussen,
>>>>Dario Frigo and Aitor Gonzalez, Roberto Heras, Iban Mayo
>>>>and Haimar Zubeldia, Christophe Moreau, Bradley McGee
>>>>(ha! just kidding), Gilberto Simoni, and who knows,
>>>>maybe R.A.G.T. Semences' new team doctor will develop a
>>>>groundbreaking technique for extracting his riders'
>>>>heads from inside their rear ends...
>>>>
>>>>Me, I tip Mayo...
>>>
>>>How does Frigo get on your list? Can Heras do a TT with
>>>the best?
>>
>>Frigo has everything it takes. He has won time trials,
>>stage races, classics, and Giro & Tour road stages...
>
>
> What has he done without banned products/methods?

That depends on where you put the cutoff. If you would agree
that after his 2001 expulsion from Fassa Bortolo he cleaned
up, then since he has won the Italian ITT championship,
Meisterschaft von Zürich, Tour de Romandie, Setmana
Catalana, Vuelta Valenciana, a Tour stage, a Giro stage, and
two Paris-Nice stages among others.

If you think he's still a doper, then I just wasted my time
responding to you, of course...

-Sonarrat.
 
On 06/17/2004 11:32 PM, in article [email protected],
"Sonarrat" <[email protected]> wrote:

> warren wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Sonarrat
>> <[email protected]..> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:160620042057184919%[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> Sonarrat <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> There are so many other contenders. Ivan Basso and
>>>>> Carlos Sastre, Levi Leipheimer and Michael Rasmussen,
>>>>> Dario Frigo and Aitor Gonzalez, Roberto Heras, Iban
>>>>> Mayo and Haimar Zubeldia, Christophe Moreau, Bradley
>>>>> McGee (ha! just kidding), Gilberto Simoni, and who
>>>>> knows, maybe R.A.G.T. Semences' new team doctor will
>>>>> develop a groundbreaking technique for extracting his
>>>>> riders' heads from inside their rear ends...
>>>>>
>>>>> Me, I tip Mayo...
>>>>
>>>> How does Frigo get on your list? Can Heras do a TT with
>>>> the best?
>>>
>>> Frigo has everything it takes. He has won time trials,
>>> stage races, classics, and Giro & Tour road stages...
>>
>>
>> What has he done without banned products/methods?
>
> That depends on where you put the cutoff. If you would
> agree that after his 2001 expulsion from Fassa Bortolo he
> cleaned up, then since he has won the Italian ITT
> championship, Meisterschaft von Zürich, Tour de Romandie,
> Setmana Catalana, Vuelta Valenciana, a Tour stage, a Giro
> stage, and two Paris-Nice stages among others.

And, of course, the "dope" he used (or at least carried with
him "just in case") was just saline ... Not dope at all.

> If you think he's still a doper, then I just wasted my
> time responding to you, of course...
>
> -Sonarrat.

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Marlene Blanshay wrote:

> I forgot to mention Belli, in my previous post. I think
> he's still in there!

83 BELLI WLADIMIR ITA DNF([stage]4)

Regards, Dieter
 
In article <BCF8263E.3630C%[email protected]>, Steven L. Sheffield
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On 06/17/2004 11:32 PM, in article
> [email protected], "Sonarrat"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > warren wrote:
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> Sonarrat <[email protected]..> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> "warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> news:160620042057184919%[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>>> In article <[email protected]>,
> >>>> Sonarrat <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> There are so many other contenders. Ivan Basso and
> >>>>> Carlos Sastre, Levi Leipheimer and Michael
> >>>>> Rasmussen, Dario Frigo and Aitor Gonzalez, Roberto
> >>>>> Heras, Iban Mayo and Haimar Zubeldia, Christophe
> >>>>> Moreau, Bradley McGee (ha! just kidding), Gilberto
> >>>>> Simoni, and who knows, maybe R.A.G.T. Semences' new
> >>>>> team doctor will develop a groundbreaking technique
> >>>>> for extracting his riders' heads from inside their
> >>>>> rear ends...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Me, I tip Mayo...
> >>>>
> >>>> How does Frigo get on your list? Can Heras do a TT
> >>>> with the best?
> >>>
> >>> Frigo has everything it takes. He has won time trials,
> >>> stage races, classics, and Giro & Tour road stages...
> >>
> >>
> >> What has he done without banned products/methods?
> >
> > That depends on where you put the cutoff. If you would
> > agree that after his 2001 expulsion from Fassa Bortolo
> > he cleaned up, then since he has won the Italian ITT
> > championship, Meisterschaft von Zürich, Tour de
> > Romandie, Setmana Catalana, Vuelta Valenciana, a Tour
> > stage, a Giro stage, and two Paris-Nice stages among
> > others.
>
>
> And, of course, the "dope" he used (or at least
> carried with him "just in case") was just saline ...
> Not dope at all.

You're wrong about what he used.

-WG
 
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