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Interesting stuff. I'll add that if you buddy up with two other guys, staying at the Venetian is not too pricey. Since all the Venetian rooms are suites, you don't have to share beds. Just ask for the room with twin beds. There is also a pull out couch in the living room, so you each get one bed. I bumped into Phil Ligget in the elevator their. He is very friendly. ----------------- Alex