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  1. I've been giving some thought to bearing holders lately and
    I have some thoughts/questions that perhaps someone can
    comment on.

    It seems that, by far, the most popular type of bearing
    holder is a two piece (main cap?) style. This is where the
    upper part of the bearing holder is attached to the end of
    the fork leg and the lower part of the bearing holder
    attaches with screws/bolts to the upper part thereby
    clamping the bearing in between.

    The problem that I see is that if you over-tighten the
    bearing holder you run the risk of damaging the bearings. If
    you under-tighten the holders then you run the risk of them
    falling off or at the verly least having a wobbly wheel.

    One way to address this is to press-fit the bearings into a
    holder and then figure out how to attach that to the frame.
    I believe Pashley, Miyata, and some cheap taiwanese
    unicycles use this method (with varying degrees of success).

    So, what if you combine both? A split holder with a lip on
    the inner and outer edges that when tightened completely
    (the bottom comes into contact with the top) holds the
    bearing just right. With this type of holder you would not
    need to worry about over-tightening since any additional
    tightening would not put more pressure on the bearing. It
    would simply put pressure on the threads of the screws. It
    would make the process of much simpler since you would not
    need to use a subjective measurement of what is "tight
    enough". And, because you could securely tighten the screws
    you would not need to worry that they might come loose
    while riding.

    I also have a question regarding the bearing holders on the
    KH series (and Summit) frames. They are nearly twice as wide
    as is necessary to encompass a bearing. Nearly half of the
    width is not in contact with the bearing. And, the bearing
    is not centered in the holder (it sits slightly to the
    inside). So, the questions is: Why not have the bearing
    holder narrower? An why put the bearing off-center? When I
    tighten the bearing holders on both the Summit and KH24 I
    find they have a tendency to pull the lower part to the
    outsite since there is nothing there to hold the top and
    bottom apart.

    I'm interested to know if anyone has build a bearing holder
    (or frame that uses them) that addresses the above mentioned
    objections?

    -mg

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  2. The GB4 and Hunter frames have a real nice main-cap which
    encircles the bearings, so that if you do overtighten, it
    does not deform the bearing the way the cheaper main caps
    do. See 'this photo' (tinyurl.com2z3gd) for example.
    However, a torque setting of 40 inch-pounds seems about
    right for them. This setting seems to the hand to be not
    very tight, but it works quite well. These holders have a
    lip on the outside only, which is easier to machine and
    seems to work well.

    "securely tighten" tends to mean "lean on it until my weight
    won't turn it any more", which is usually overkill for uni
    parts. Go for "snug but not too snug" together with some
    blue loctite and you'll save a lot of parts.

    For the Summit and KH try not tightening the holders as
    much. Use loctite on the threads so that you know you don't
    have to to tighten them a lot for them to stay put. You may
    also have to put a slight inward angle to the frame arms,
    however, that is not ideal.

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  3. U-Turn said:

    *See 'this photo' (tinyurl.com2z3gd) for
    example. *


    i dont like those "shaft collar" style holders because of
    one reason.this may be hard to explain but i'll try.on the
    bottom part,the cap,the part not attached to the frame,the
    bolt head is counter sunk into the holder and it leaves only
    a paper thin bit of medal separating it from the bearing on
    the other side.

    over time and tightening a crack can develop in the thin
    spot.this happened on my 1st MUni,my Profile.i had to
    send Profile 12 dollars for a couple of spares.not a
    super big issue it did happen to me.UniBrier has that uni
    now and the spare caps,maybe he could post a pick of the
    cracked one.....

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