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Battle over Botox

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  1. 008 07-14-03 22:25
    Eb> Mark Probert <[email hidden]> wrote in

    Quoted message said:
    Tsu Dho Nimh said:
    Quoted message said:

    His tune had changed. He did not support the use of Botox for
    spasticity treatment any longer and said that he had virtually
    eliminated its use from his practice.

    What was he finding to be the problem?

    The pain the kids went through, the short, and constantly diminishing,
    duration of effecitveness, and other things. He also became enamored
    of other treatment, which he fel twas far easier on the patient, and
    had an overall better result. email for details, if you are so
    inclined.

    Eric Bohlman <[email hidden]>
    Eb> This is a classic illustration of how, in conventional medicine, a
    Eb> treatment may *sound* promising and initially *look* promising, but
    Eb> eventually turn out not to work that well in practice. And therefore
    Eb> the treatment gets abandoned. And with the abandonment comes
    Eb> disappointment, but not defensiveness or delusions of persecution. If
    Eb> practitioners of alternative medicine could adopt a similar mindset,
    Eb> there's a chance that something useful *might* come out of the field.
    Eb> But right now they have so much ego invested in their pet doctrines
    Eb> that they simply can't admit they might be wrong. Their mindset is
    Eb> that changing one's mind on the basis of new evidence is a sign of
    Eb> weakness, not strength.

    Alternative medicine says the treatment must produce results, otherwise,
    the treatment gets abandoned, too. But the end user determines whether
    the treatment gets results.

    .... End of message 14 Jul 03 22:51
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  2. George Lagergren said:

    008 07-14-03 22:25
    Eb> Mark Probert <[email hidden]> wrote in

    Quoted message said:
    Tsu Dho Nimh said:

    >His tune had changed. He did not support the use of Botox for
    >spasticity treatment any longer and said that he had virtually
    >eliminated its use from his practice.

    What was he finding to be the problem?

    The pain the kids went through, the short, and constantly diminishing,
    duration of effecitveness, and other things. He also became enamored
    of other treatment, which he fel twas far easier on the patient, and
    had an overall better result. email for details, if you are so
    inclined.

    Eric Bohlman <[email hidden]>
    Eb> This is a classic illustration of how, in conventional medicine, a
    Eb> treatment may *sound* promising and initially *look* promising, but
    Eb> eventually turn out not to work that well in practice. And therefore
    Eb> the treatment gets abandoned. And with the abandonment comes
    Eb> disappointment, but not defensiveness or delusions of persecution. If
    Eb> practitioners of alternative medicine could adopt a similar mindset,
    Eb> there's a chance that something useful *might* come out of the field.
    Eb> But right now they have so much ego invested in their pet doctrines
    Eb> that they simply can't admit they might be wrong. Their mindset is
    Eb> that changing one's mind on the basis of new evidence is a sign of
    Eb> weakness, not strength.

    Alternative medicine says the treatment must produce results, otherwise,
    the treatment gets abandoned, too. But the end user determines whether
    the treatment gets results.

    The treatment was producing results, and, was replaced by a better
    treatment.

    In Altmed, that does not happen. Unproven, untested, treatments are
    perpetuated for years, and the length of use is used as a selling point
    in the sales hype.

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