Autism / oxidative stress

Wow.

As a schizophrenic, I experience some autism. The old "four
A's" of schizophrenia are: autism, affect, ambivalence, and
associations. These are replaced in modern nursing school by
alogia, anhedonia, affect, and association.

I am brilliantly verbal, and yet autistic. This is no
contradiction. What happened to me caused me to give up my
faith in language, and so develop a pattern of highly
intellectuallized, yet ineffective speech. I swear, I can
sit in "talk therapy" all day and share affective speech
(emotionally honest speech) and intellectualize around it,
but it does me no good. My speech is not substantially
_effective_. That is, talking about my emotions doesn't
change my life. And as for making plans with speech, that
is, considering anything more substantial than when is my
next appointment, I am paralyzed, mute. Yet the therapists I
am with do not notice this. They think, he must be able to
talk to anybody about anything, and so, doesn't need help.

But I can't. It's as if I'm mute. I've lost the critical
belief that language _does some good_, that's it's useful.

So what I am looking for is a diagnosis of autism secondary
to schizophrenia, and treatement with a speech language
pathologist operating at a very challenging level.

How does this sound?

Thanks, interesting article and I will ask my psychiatrist
to interpret it. Perhaps she can test for:

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red blood cells thiobarbituric acid-reactive substances
(TBARS) levels, and superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase
(CAT), adenosine deaminase (ADA) and xanthine oxidase
(XO) activities

and determine if there is

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lipid peroxidation

Yours,

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Subject: Re: Autism / oxidative stress
From: [email hidden] ( Doug Goncz )
Date: 6/21/2004 5:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time
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Wow.

As a schizophrenic, I experience some autism. The old "four
A's" of schizophrenia are: autism, affect, ambivalence, and
associations. These are replaced in modern nursing school
by alogia, anhedonia, affect, and association.

I am brilliantly verbal, and yet autistic. This is no
contradiction. What happened to me caused me to give up
my faith in language, and so develop a pattern of highly
intellectuallized, yet ineffective speech. I swear, I can
sit in "talk therapy" all day and share affective speech
(emotionally honest speech) and intellectualize around
it, but it does me no good. My speech is not
substantially _effective_. That is, talking about my
emotions doesn't change my life. And as for making plans
with speech, that is, considering anything more
substantial than when is my next appointment, I am
paralyzed, mute. Yet the therapists I am with do not
notice this. They think, he must be able to talk to
anybody about anything, and so, doesn't need help.

But I can't. It's as if I'm mute. I've lost the critical
belief that language _does some good_, that's it's useful.

So what I am looking for is a diagnosis of autism secondary
to schizophrenia, and treatement with a speech language
pathologist operating at a very challenging level.

How does this sound?

Thanks, interesting article and I will ask my psychiatrist
to interpret it. Perhaps she can test for:

Quoted message said:

red blood cells thiobarbituric acid-reactive substances
(TBARS) levels, and superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase
(CAT), adenosine deaminase (ADA) and xanthine oxidase
(XO) activities

and determine if there is

Quoted message said:

lipid peroxidation

If you have schizophrenia they have shown lipid peroxidation
/ oxidative stress TO BE involved ..

I've questioned Dr. Hoffer as to his work with B vitamins
and schizophrenia and pointed out to him how it is KNOWN
iron overload induces schizophrenia and asked him whether he
thought the B vitamins might be just simply chelating the
iron in the body ..

B vitamins are 'argued' to be antioxidants and this ..
discrepency may arrive by the fact an antioxidant seems to
be classified as a 'quencher' OF free radicals or a
'binder/chelator' .. of .. the free radical .. creator.

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<<snip>> In addition to increased oxidative stress, altered
immune function may also be responsible for increased
phospholipase activities.

PMID: 15006493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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