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  1. Saddam's DNA Testing was done in military lab; US keeping results close to chest By Robert Walgate

    DNA testing was a key tool used by US authorities to ensure the man they found in a hole in the
    ground last week was indeed Saddam Hussein, together with confirmation by former members of Saddam's
    regime. But details of those tests are unlikely to be revealed soon.

    Officials from the US Department of Defense have indicated to The Scientist that next week
    would be the earliest any publication of the results and methods would happen, if they are made
    public at all.

    What has been confirmed is that the testing was carried out at the US Armed Forces DNA
    Identification Laboratory (AFDIL) in Washington, DC. The lab is a department of the Armed Forces
    Institute of Pathology, on the grounds of the Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

    Officials from the institute told The Scientist that the lab had already done a considerable
    amount of DNA work on operational cases in Iraq and therefore had real expertise in the
    identification of Saddam.

    Meanwhile, speculation on the methodology and quality of the data is running rife.

    News of the result seems first to have been first broken by the head of the Iraqi Governing Council
    Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim, who said on Sunday that DNA tests had confirmed that the suspect was Saddam
    Hussein, less than 24 hours after his discovery.

    Allowing for the time taken to fly a sample from the captured man to Washington, this implies the
    test was completed very quickly for a routine DNA identification-unless initial tests were
    performed in Iraq.

    Read the rest at The Scientist.com biomedcentral.com05

    Comment: Apart from the DNA tests, we can compare the Bush administrations profile of Saddam to
    reality, allowing, of course, for the Bush regime's passion for wild exaggeration: Regime said: that
    Saddam had a network of tunnels that could hide WMD programs and a small army for many months;
    Reality: Saddam was found in a rabbit hole; Regime said: that Saddam was awash with biological,
    chemical and nuclear Weapons of Mass Destruction; Reality: Saddam had a pistol; Regime said: Saddam
    was a threat to his neighbours, the World and the USA; Reality: A frightened Saddam soiled his
    underwear while giving up without a fight.

    Looks fairly conclusive: the Bush regime's rhetoric and reality in the case of Saddam are about as
    far apart as with other issues eg Regime: Clinton, who took the country from deficit to record
    surplus in 8 years is fiscally irresponsible compared to Bush; Reality: Bush turned the surplus
    around to an estimated three quarters of a trillion dollar deficit in three years flat.

    Posted by Robert Karl Stonjek.

  2. Quoted message said:

    omment: Apart from the DNA tests, we can compare the Bush administrations profile of Saddam to
    reality, allowing, of course, for the Bush regime's passion for wild exaggeration: Regime said:
    that Saddam had a network of tunnels that could hide WMD programs and a small army for many months;
    Reality: Saddam was found in a rabbit hole; Regime said: that Saddam was awash with biological,
    chemical and nuclear Weapons of Mass Destruction; Reality: Saddam had a pistol; Regime said: Saddam
    was a threat to his neighbours, the World and the USA; Reality: A frightened Saddam soiled his
    underwear while giving up without a fight.

    Looks fairly conclusive: the Bush regime's rhetoric and reality in the case of Saddam are about as
    far apart as with other issues eg Regime: Clinton, who took the country from deficit to record
    surplus in 8 years is fiscally irresponsible compared to Bush; Reality: Bush turned the surplus
    around to an estimated three quarters of a trillion dollar deficit in three years flat.

    Posted by Robert Karl Stonjek.

    I would like to protest the entire comment section of this post because it bears no relationship to
    biology or evolution in any shape or form. Allowing this is a failure on the part of the
    moderator...

    TWINBLUE

    [moderator's note: I agree, twinblue, and I apologize for the above material. While I agree with
    Mr. Stonjek on the material points, it is clearly off-topic and I should have caught that. Again,
    my apologies, and Robert, feel free to send such stuff to my personal mailbox, but not to the
    group. - JAH]

  3. [email hidden] (TWINBLUE) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [snip news story] [snip comments regarding George W. Bush]

    Posted by Robert Karl Stonjek.

    I would like to protest the entire comment section of this post because it bears no relationship
    to biology or evolution in any shape or form. Allowing this is a failure on the part of the
    moderator...

    TWINBLUE

    [moderator's note: I agree, twinblue, and I apologize for the above material. While I agree with
    Mr. Stonjek on the material points, it is clearly off-topic and I should have caught that. Again,
    my apologies, and Robert, feel free to send such stuff to my personal mailbox, but not to the
    group. - JAH]

    TWINBLUE is right to protest, and I applaud the moderator's prompt agreement. However, as Mr
    Stonjek's comments WERE amusing, I can only regret that Mr. Bush is not a member of the
    "neoDarwinist establishment". Then, perhaps, he would be fair game.

    (I'm only half serious here. I certainly don't wish to make Josh's job more difficult).

  4. ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Jim Menegay" <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: sci.bio.evolution
    Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 12:40 PM
    Subject: Re: Article] Saddam's DNA

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (TWINBLUE) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [snip news story] [snip comments regarding George W. Bush]

    Posted by Robert Karl Stonjek.

    I would like to protest the entire comment section of this post because


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bears no relationship to biology or evolution in any shape or form.


    Allowing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this is a failure on the part of the moderator...

    TWINBLUE

    [moderator's note: I agree, twinblue, and I apologize for the above material. While I agree with
    Mr. Stonjek on the material points, it is clearly off-topic and I should have caught that.
    Again, my apologies, and Robert, feel free to send such stuff to my personal mailbox, but not to
    the group. - JAH]

    TWINBLUE is right to protest, and I applaud the moderator's prompt agreement. However, as Mr
    Stonjek's comments WERE amusing, I can only regret that Mr. Bush is not a member of the
    "neoDarwinist establishment". Then, perhaps, he would be fair game.

    (I'm only half serious here. I certainly don't wish to make Josh's job more difficult).


    RKS: Ahhhh com'on fellas, a little humour never hurt anybody.

    Nice to know that you're all reading my News Alerts and the interesting comments that sometimes
    accompany them.

    Merry X-Mas and happy new year to all, especially the chimps that Dan Michaels may have finally
    talked into becoming human (no doubt sitting, bewildered, around a Christmas tree decorated
    with bananas).

    [moderator's note: And a grateful good night to this particular thread. Onward! - JAH]

    Kind Regards, Robert Karl Stonjek.

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