Are Mountain Bikers Psychopaths?

[Mike Vandeman]

This is one of the best-written books I have ever read. It is scientific,
accurate, and an eye- and brain-opener. Recognize some mountain bikers?

Robert D. Hare, _Without Conscience -- the
Disturbing World of Psychopaths Among Us_. New
York: The Guilford Press, 1993.

"They have little resistance to temptation, and
their transgressions elicit no guilt. Without the
shackles of a nagging conscience, they feel free
to satisfy their needs and wants and do whatever
they think they can get away with. Any antisocial
act, from petty theft to bloody murder, becomes
possible." p.76. "When we used this laboratory
task with prison inmates, the nonpsychopaths
showed the normal pattern of responses -- quicker
decisions and larger brain responses to emotional
than to neutral words -- but the psychopaths did
not: <i>They responded to emotional words as if
they were neutral words.</i>" p.130. "The social
and financial costs to society of failing to
solve the deadly mystery of the psychopath will
be staggering. It is imperative that we continue
to search for clues." p.220.

A friend wrote:

"It's funny to get this because the other day on Tam, a ranger stopped some
bikers who had ridden aross a meadow, leaving deep ruts in the very wet
soil (just to avoid going through a fire road gate). Their response was so
calm and lackadaisical as if nothing had happened. I have seen this every
time bikers are stopped on trails for riding illegally. They go into a
psychological denial of any wrong, extend that into an area of logic where
they feel they are the ones being wronged and ergo, they can do what they
want. It would make a great study for a masters or phd thesis."
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Michael Dart]

No but sometimes we ride cyclepaths. ;^)

 

[pmhilton]

Michael Dart wrote:
> No but sometimes we ride cyclepaths. ;^)
>
>

And sometimes put sticks in the spokes of sociopaths.

Pete H

 

[Scott Gordo]

Michael Dart wrote:
> No but sometimes we ride cyclepaths. ;^)

<a
href="http://www.pocketpcdn.com/articles/samples/applause.wav">Nicely
done.</a>

/s

 

[S Curtiss]

Environmental and Hiking Psycopaths? (was: Are Mountain Bikers Psycopaths?)

By applying the same logic to hiking and environmentalists that MV applies
to off-road cyclists, the conclusions are obvious. All hikers should be
banned and all environmentalists should be prosecuted. MV's conclusion, from
this post and others, is that all off-road cyclists are psycopaths and
criminals based on the extreme actions of a minority. Using his own basis of
scientific eveidence, thenn the following pieces are evident that all hikers
and all environmentalists can be classified as "psycopaths":


From "Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit" Riverside, CA - website
"On June 22, 1999, RMRU was called out on a rescue of an injured hiker.
Chris, a 22 year-old was hiking with a couple of his friends up the North
Fork of the San Jacinto River. The area they were illegally trespassing into
is considered very technical and dangerous terrain. They had spent the day
climbing alongside some waterfalls. They ended up at a swimming hole where
they proceeded to swim and indulge in alcohol. Chris attempted to climb from
the swimming hole up some very loose scree. Loosing his footing he fell
breaking his arm and injuring his knee."

Note the hikers were "illegally trespassing" and engaged in activity that
caused harm and could have harmed others and wildlife. Apparently, we have
to ban hiking because all hikers break the rules and trespass. It is for
their own safety and the safety of others. It is obvious they only care
about their own adventure and have no respect for themselves or
surroundings.

Associated Press 3/16/04
"PORTLAND, Ore. - A fugitive radical environmentalist has been arrested on
charges of setting fire to logging and cement trucks in 2001, the FBI
announced Monday.
Michael Scarpitti was arrested Saturday while trying to shoplift some bolt
cutters in Victoria, British Columbia, said Robert Jordan, the FBI's special
agent in charge in Portland. Canadian police realized he was a fugitive when
his fingerprints were run through a database, Jordan said.
Scarpitti has been on the FBI's most-wanted list since disappearing two
years ago and has been connected to the Earth Liberation Front, a shadowy
group that has claimed responsibility for dozens of crimes over the past
several years."

Using MV logic - All environmentalists are terrorists and must be
prosecuted. Their psycopathic nature creates a danger for all wildlife and
citizens interested in simply enjoying a day outdoors. They have no respect
for life and are only concerned with their own agenda experience.

Mike routinely posts anecdotal "evidence" concerning off-road cyclists then
extrapolates a blanket statement to apply to everyone engaging in the
activity. Using his own method of science, my statements included here
concerning hiking and environmentalists are equally true.

SC

 

[Brian]

> Mike routinely posts anecdotal "evidence" concerning off-road cyclists
> then extrapolates a blanket statement to apply to everyone engaging in the
> activity. Using his own method of science, my statements included here
> concerning hiking and environmentalists are equally true.
>
Also, it really pisses him off...

 

[Werehatrack]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:43:41 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

[snip]
>Mike routinely posts anecdotal "evidence" concerning off-road cyclists then
>extrapolates a blanket statement to apply to everyone engaging in the
>activity.

In other words, he's a troll.

Plonking makes trolls very frustrated. If it becomes obvious from the
lack of responses that their posts are being ignored, they tend to
wander off and find someone else to pester. It's much easier to not
respond when the troll's traffic just never gets into the message
list. Perhaps someday even Google will provide this option, but for
now, every newsreader I've tried has a killfile of some sort; I
heartily endorse its usage in support of reduction of noise, wasted
time, and annoyance level.
--
Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
Some gardening required to reply via email.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

 

[VtSkier]

Werehatrack wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:43:41 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>Mike routinely posts anecdotal "evidence" concerning off-road cyclists then
>>extrapolates a blanket statement to apply to everyone engaging in the
>>activity.
>
>
> In other words, he's a troll.
>
> Plonking makes trolls very frustrated. If it becomes obvious from the
> lack of responses that their posts are being ignored, they tend to
> wander off and find someone else to pester. It's much easier to not
> respond when the troll's traffic just never gets into the message
> list. Perhaps someday even Google will provide this option, but for
> now, every newsreader I've tried has a killfile of some sort; I
> heartily endorse its usage in support of reduction of noise, wasted
> time, and annoyance level.

Good luck!!!

 

[pmhilton]

Werehatrack wrote:
It's much easier to not
> respond when the troll's traffic just never gets into the message
> list.

Would that were the case. But this one troll is a seemingly irresistible
target. The same old drivel over and over . . . .
The same old respnses over and over . . .

Go away for several months, come back, nothing much has changed.

Pete H

 

[ridewright]

Lets not forget the "Mexican Nationals" that "Hike" into our national
forest to transform pristine hillsides into boobytraped marijuana
plantations. Every "Hiker" should be suspect!
Also the Boy Scouts "Hike", and there have been recent reports of scout
leaders being perverts! Hikers are Perverts!!!
Fact is, sidewalks are designed for pedestrians, and "Hikers" need to
be restricted to using only government approved sidewalks, where we
decent folk can keep an eye on them! If they want to enjoy nature, let
them watch it on TV!

 

[Gulo Gulo]

pmhilton wrote:
> Werehatrack wrote:
> It's much easier to not
> > respond when the troll's traffic just never gets into the message
> > list.
>
> Would that were the case. But this one troll is a seemingly irresistible
> target. The same old drivel over and over . . . .
> The same old respnses over and over . . .

It's hard to determine which is more pathetic, Vandeman's endless
regurgitation of the same old ****, or his responder's Pavlovian
insistence on giving him exactly what he wants.

 

[Werehatrack]

On 16 Mar 2006 13:53:49 -0800, "Gulo Gulo" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>pmhilton wrote:
>> Werehatrack wrote:
>> It's much easier to not
>> > respond when the troll's traffic just never gets into the message
>> > list.
>>
>> Would that were the case. But this one troll is a seemingly irresistible
>> target. The same old drivel over and over . . . .
>> The same old respnses over and over . . .
>
>It's hard to determine which is more pathetic, Vandeman's endless
>regurgitation of the same old ****, or his responder's Pavlovian
>insistence on giving him exactly what he wants.

Plonk 'em both. Is there any reason to do otherwise?

--
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Some gardening required to reply via email.
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[VtSkier]

Werehatrack wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2006 13:53:49 -0800, "Gulo Gulo" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>pmhilton wrote:
>>
>>>Werehatrack wrote:
>>> It's much easier to not
>>>
>>>>respond when the troll's traffic just never gets into the message
>>>>list.
>>>
>>>Would that were the case. But this one troll is a seemingly irresistible
>>>target. The same old drivel over and over . . . .
>>>The same old respnses over and over . . .
>>
>>It's hard to determine which is more pathetic, Vandeman's endless
>>regurgitation of the same old ****, or his responder's Pavlovian
>>insistence on giving him exactly what he wants.
>
>
> Plonk 'em both. Is there any reason to do otherwise?

No reason not to, but there is the problem of those
who feel the need to reply, and then quote the entire
screed. You can't plonk the whole world. If you tried,
your world would become very small indeed.

 

[Andy H]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
Move along folks, nothing new to see here, you still alive then mike?
Shame.....

Andy H

Oh BTW that IS my real name.

 

[Gio]

pmhilton <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Michael Dart wrote:
>> No but sometimes we ride cyclepaths. ;^)
>>
>
>And sometimes put sticks in the spokes of sociopaths.
>
>Pete H

Well now, that's downright unfriendly of you. I'm out here because I
detest 'society', and you have to speak loudly and carry clothespins
and baseball cards.

Gio

"I've spent the last 10 years of my life helping to turn footpath into
two-track."

 

[Gary S.]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:43:41 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Environmental and Hiking Psycopaths? (was: Are Mountain Bikers Psycopaths?)
>
>By applying the same logic to hiking and environmentalists that MV applies
>to off-road cyclists, the conclusions are obvious. All hikers should be
>banned and all environmentalists should be prosecuted. MV's conclusion, from
>this post and others, is that all off-road cyclists are psycopaths and
>criminals based on the extreme actions of a minority. Using his own basis of
>scientific eveidence, thenn the following pieces are evident that all hikers
>and all environmentalists can be classified as "psycopaths":
>
Please keep in mind that Mikie does not represent more than a tiny
fraction of hikers. What he describe that he does is go for walks in
local parks, in his smooth-soled shoes that would be very dangerous in
most real hiking terrain. Also, he actually wants to ban all outdoor
recreation, he is just starting with mountain biking in classic
divide-and-conquer style.

Also, Mikie does not represent more than a small fraction of
enviromentalists. He even was removed as Wildlife Subcommittee Chair
for his local Sierra Club Chapter, permanently banned from all
leadership positions in the SC, and they considered removing him from
that organization entirely.

Fortunately for those who do enjoy the outdoors responsibly, Mikie's
inability to sustain a conversation means that he will never convince
anyone to follow him. Every time he claims a supporter, he
conveniently hides their name, so that there is no way to verify that
any such person exists outside his imagination. This, combined with
his reluctance to actually do anything other than rant and rave, means
that his net effect at best is nothing.

Mikie is only doing this for his own ego; anyone who cared about the
environment as he claims would be able to accomplish something with
his life, other than providing occasional entertainment.
Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
--
At the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

 

[pmhilton]

Gio wrote:

>
> Well now, that's downright unfriendly of you. I'm out here because I
> detest 'society', and you have to speak loudly and carry clothespins
> and baseball cards.
>
> Gio
>
> "I've spent the last 10 years of my life helping to turn footpath into
> two-track."
>

Don't tell me that you don't recognize sarcasm, either! It should be
obvious that whenever I do bother posting in a mikey thread that I'm
doing so tongue-in-cheek.

I used up many a deck of cards in my time & my Mother was despairing of
keeping her clothespins at home.

Pete H

 

[Gio]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:34:06 -0500, pmhilton <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Gio wrote:
>
>>
>> Well now, that's downright unfriendly of you. I'm out here because I
>> detest 'society', and you have to speak loudly and carry clothespins
>> and baseball cards.
>>
>> Gio
>>
>> "I've spent the last 10 years of my life helping to turn footpath into
>> two-track."
>>
>
>Don't tell me that you don't recognize sarcasm, either! It should be
>obvious that whenever I do bother posting in a mikey thread that I'm
>doing so tongue-in-cheek.
>
>I used up many a deck of cards in my time & my Mother was despairing of
>keeping her clothespins at home.
>
>Pete H

Nor you mine! Sarcasm doesn't come through well here.

Buy wooden clothespins..... the plastic ones suck.

Gio

 

[John]

"ridewright" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1142543325.091543.41190
@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com:

>


LOL


> Lets not forget the "Mexican Nationals" that "Hike" into our national
> forest to transform pristine hillsides into boobytraped marijuana
> plantations. Every "Hiker" should be suspect!
> Also the Boy Scouts "Hike", and there have been recent reports of scout
> leaders being perverts! Hikers are Perverts!!!
> Fact is, sidewalks are designed for pedestrians, and "Hikers" need to
> be restricted to using only government approved sidewalks, where we
> decent folk can keep an eye on them! If they want to enjoy nature, let
> them watch it on TV!
>

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[pmhilton]

Gio wrote:

>
> Buy wooden clothespins..... the plastic ones suck.
>
> Gio
>

When I was "motorizing" my bicycles, there was no such thing as a
plastic clothespin.

PH