Apres Lance...

Maybe you did not notice stage 10 when he lost 1:02 to LA.
That is the second year in a row Basso cracked in the Alpes.
Why is it he can only match LA in the Pereneyes?

Tom Kunich said:

"Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

k.papai said:

Lance already designated Ivan Basso (and Ullrich) as his successor to
all of Paris, LIVE via a microphone.

While that's all well and good, Vino will kick Ullrich's butt next
year. And, if Basso doesn't bring his A+ game (and a great team) he'll
be getting a beat down, too.

Maybe you didn't notice the vaste improvement between 2004 Basso and 2005
Basso. Basso essentially lost only TT time to Lance and next year he'll
improve his TT.

You guys aren't getting it are you?

Maybe you did not notice stage 10 when he lost 1:02 to LA.
That is the second year in a row Basso cracked in the Alpes.
Why is it he can only match LA in the Pereneyes?

Tom Kunich said:

"Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

k.papai said:

Lance already designated Ivan Basso (and Ullrich) as his successor to
all of Paris, LIVE via a microphone.

While that's all well and good, Vino will kick Ullrich's butt next
year. And, if Basso doesn't bring his A+ game (and a great team) he'll
be getting a beat down, too.

Maybe you didn't notice the vaste improvement between 2004 Basso and 2005
Basso. Basso essentially lost only TT time to Lance and next year he'll
improve his TT.

You guys aren't getting it are you?

gwhite said:

Tom Kunich said:

Basso essentially lost only TT time to Lance and next year he'll
improve his TT.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005//tour05/?id=results/tour0510

Results: Stage 10

1 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
4.50.35 (36.65 km/h)
2 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery
Channel
3 Michael Rasmussen (Den)
Rabobank 0.09
4 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse
d'Epargne
5 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team
CSC 1.02

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/tour05/?id=tour0513/s-valverdeko3#top>

(Story):
Alejandro Valverde (Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne) tearfully abandoned
the 92nd Tour de France at the feed zone in Pont des Charettes (Uzes)
with continual knee pain from a crash where he banged his knee hard on
his handlebars. Sitting fifth in GC, Valverde was just 3'16 behind
maillot jaune Armstrong and may have been a threat to the American in
the Pyrenees.>

Let's hope for a full recovery, he did well against LA in the early
mountains, winning that stage, Mr. 7 not seeming to be interested right
at the end there. However:

(Section of Stage One results, again cyclingnews.com):

<79 Roberto Heras (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth

80 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Davitamon-Lotto 2.21
81 Massimo Giunti (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 2.24
82 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
83 Jörg Jaksche (Ger) Liberty Seguros-Würth

84 Manuel Quinziato (Ita) Saunier Duval-Prodir 2.25
85 Jörg Ludewig (Ger) Domina Vacanze
2.28
86 David Moncoutié (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit Par Telephone>

Ow. --TP

gwhite said:

Tom Kunich said:

Basso essentially lost only TT time to Lance and next year he'll
improve his TT.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005//tour05/?id=results/tour0510

Results: Stage 10

1 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
4.50.35 (36.65 km/h)
2 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery
Channel
3 Michael Rasmussen (Den)
Rabobank 0.09
4 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse
d'Epargne
5 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team
CSC 1.02

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/tour05/?id=tour0513/s-valverdeko3#top>

(Story):
Alejandro Valverde (Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne) tearfully abandoned
the 92nd Tour de France at the feed zone in Pont des Charettes (Uzes)
with continual knee pain from a crash where he banged his knee hard on
his handlebars. Sitting fifth in GC, Valverde was just 3'16 behind
maillot jaune Armstrong and may have been a threat to the American in
the Pyrenees.>

Let's hope for a full recovery, he did well against LA in the early
mountains, winning that stage, Mr. 7 not seeming to be interested right
at the end there. However:

(Section of Stage One results, again cyclingnews.com):

<79 Roberto Heras (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth

80 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Davitamon-Lotto 2.21
81 Massimo Giunti (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 2.24
82 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
83 Jörg Jaksche (Ger) Liberty Seguros-Würth

84 Manuel Quinziato (Ita) Saunier Duval-Prodir 2.25
85 Jörg Ludewig (Ger) Domina Vacanze
2.28
86 David Moncoutié (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit Par Telephone>

Ow. --TP

gwhite said:

Tom Kunich said:

Basso essentially lost only TT time to Lance and next year he'll
improve his TT.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005//tour05/?id=results/tour0510

Results: Stage 10

1 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
4.50.35 (36.65 km/h)
2 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery
Channel
3 Michael Rasmussen (Den)
Rabobank 0.09
4 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse
d'Epargne
5 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team
CSC 1.02

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/tour05/?id=tour0513/s-valverdeko3#top>

(Story):
Alejandro Valverde (Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne) tearfully abandoned
the 92nd Tour de France at the feed zone in Pont des Charettes (Uzes)
with continual knee pain from a crash where he banged his knee hard on
his handlebars. Sitting fifth in GC, Valverde was just 3'16 behind
maillot jaune Armstrong and may have been a threat to the American in
the Pyrenees.>

Let's hope for a full recovery, he did well against LA in the early
mountains, winning that stage, Mr. 7 not seeming to be interested right
at the end there. However:

(Section of Stage One results, again cyclingnews.com):

<79 Roberto Heras (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth

80 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Davitamon-Lotto 2.21
81 Massimo Giunti (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 2.24
82 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
83 Jörg Jaksche (Ger) Liberty Seguros-Würth

84 Manuel Quinziato (Ita) Saunier Duval-Prodir 2.25
85 Jörg Ludewig (Ger) Domina Vacanze
2.28
86 David Moncoutié (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit Par Telephone>

Ow. --TP

gwhite said:

Tom Kunich said:

Basso essentially lost only TT time to Lance and next year he'll
improve his TT.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005//tour05/?id=results/tour0510

Results: Stage 10

1 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
4.50.35 (36.65 km/h)
2 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery
Channel
3 Michael Rasmussen (Den)
Rabobank 0.09
4 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse
d'Epargne
5 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team
CSC 1.02

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/tour05/?id=tour0513/s-valverdeko3#top>

(Story):
Alejandro Valverde (Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne) tearfully abandoned
the 92nd Tour de France at the feed zone in Pont des Charettes (Uzes)
with continual knee pain from a crash where he banged his knee hard on
his handlebars. Sitting fifth in GC, Valverde was just 3'16 behind
maillot jaune Armstrong and may have been a threat to the American in
the Pyrenees.>

Let's hope for a full recovery, he did well against LA in the early
mountains, winning that stage, Mr. 7 not seeming to be interested right
at the end there. However:

(Section of Stage One results, again cyclingnews.com):

<79 Roberto Heras (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth

80 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Davitamon-Lotto 2.21
81 Massimo Giunti (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 2.24
82 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
83 Jörg Jaksche (Ger) Liberty Seguros-Würth

84 Manuel Quinziato (Ita) Saunier Duval-Prodir 2.25
85 Jörg Ludewig (Ger) Domina Vacanze
2.28
86 David Moncoutié (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit Par Telephone>

Ow. --TP

gwhite said:

Tom Kunich said:

Basso essentially lost only TT time to Lance and next year he'll
improve his TT.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005//tour05/?id=results/tour0510

Results: Stage 10

1 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
4.50.35 (36.65 km/h)
2 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery
Channel
3 Michael Rasmussen (Den)
Rabobank 0.09
4 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse
d'Epargne
5 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team
CSC 1.02

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/tour05/?id=tour0513/s-valverdeko3#top>

(Story):
Alejandro Valverde (Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne) tearfully abandoned
the 92nd Tour de France at the feed zone in Pont des Charettes (Uzes)
with continual knee pain from a crash where he banged his knee hard on
his handlebars. Sitting fifth in GC, Valverde was just 3'16 behind
maillot jaune Armstrong and may have been a threat to the American in
the Pyrenees.>

Let's hope for a full recovery, he did well against LA in the early
mountains, winning that stage, Mr. 7 not seeming to be interested right
at the end there. However:

(Section of Stage One results, again cyclingnews.com):

<79 Roberto Heras (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth

80 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Davitamon-Lotto 2.21
81 Massimo Giunti (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 2.24
82 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
83 Jörg Jaksche (Ger) Liberty Seguros-Würth

84 Manuel Quinziato (Ita) Saunier Duval-Prodir 2.25
85 Jörg Ludewig (Ger) Domina Vacanze
2.28
86 David Moncoutié (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit Par Telephone>

Ow. --TP

gwhite said:

Tom Kunich said:

Basso essentially lost only TT time to Lance and next year he'll
improve his TT.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005//tour05/?id=results/tour0510

Results: Stage 10

1 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
4.50.35 (36.65 km/h)
2 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery
Channel
3 Michael Rasmussen (Den)
Rabobank 0.09
4 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse
d'Epargne
5 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team
CSC 1.02

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/tour05/?id=tour0513/s-valverdeko3#top>

(Story):
Alejandro Valverde (Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne) tearfully abandoned
the 92nd Tour de France at the feed zone in Pont des Charettes (Uzes)
with continual knee pain from a crash where he banged his knee hard on
his handlebars. Sitting fifth in GC, Valverde was just 3'16 behind
maillot jaune Armstrong and may have been a threat to the American in
the Pyrenees.>

Let's hope for a full recovery, he did well against LA in the early
mountains, winning that stage, Mr. 7 not seeming to be interested right
at the end there. However:

(Section of Stage One results, again cyclingnews.com):

<79 Roberto Heras (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth

80 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Davitamon-Lotto 2.21
81 Massimo Giunti (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 2.24
82 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
83 Jörg Jaksche (Ger) Liberty Seguros-Würth

84 Manuel Quinziato (Ita) Saunier Duval-Prodir 2.25
85 Jörg Ludewig (Ger) Domina Vacanze
2.28
86 David Moncoutié (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit Par Telephone>

Ow. --TP

gwhite said:

Tom Kunich said:

Basso essentially lost only TT time to Lance and next year he'll
improve his TT.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005//tour05/?id=results/tour0510

Results: Stage 10

1 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
4.50.35 (36.65 km/h)
2 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery
Channel
3 Michael Rasmussen (Den)
Rabobank 0.09
4 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse
d'Epargne
5 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team
CSC 1.02

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/tour05/?id=tour0513/s-valverdeko3#top>

(Story):
Alejandro Valverde (Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne) tearfully abandoned
the 92nd Tour de France at the feed zone in Pont des Charettes (Uzes)
with continual knee pain from a crash where he banged his knee hard on
his handlebars. Sitting fifth in GC, Valverde was just 3'16 behind
maillot jaune Armstrong and may have been a threat to the American in
the Pyrenees.>

Let's hope for a full recovery, he did well against LA in the early
mountains, winning that stage, Mr. 7 not seeming to be interested right
at the end there. However:

(Section of Stage One results, again cyclingnews.com):

<79 Roberto Heras (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth

80 Robbie McEwen (Aus) Davitamon-Lotto 2.21
81 Massimo Giunti (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 2.24
82 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne
83 Jörg Jaksche (Ger) Liberty Seguros-Würth

84 Manuel Quinziato (Ita) Saunier Duval-Prodir 2.25
85 Jörg Ludewig (Ger) Domina Vacanze
2.28
86 David Moncoutié (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit Par Telephone>

Ow. --TP

In article <[email hidden]>, Thomas \"Tommy\" Gunn

Quoted message said:

Tyler will win it. Mark my words. He will be tanned , rested and relaxed,
not to mention mad.

If his appeal fails, he won't be eligible to compete. Is he not under a
2 year suspension effective Sept 2004 (from the Vuelta)? If the
original decision is upheld Tyler will return to the TDF at age 36.
It's over.

Luke

In article <[email hidden]>, Thomas \"Tommy\" Gunn

Quoted message said:

Tyler will win it. Mark my words. He will be tanned , rested and relaxed,
not to mention mad.

If his appeal fails, he won't be eligible to compete. Is he not under a
2 year suspension effective Sept 2004 (from the Vuelta)? If the
original decision is upheld Tyler will return to the TDF at age 36.
It's over.

Luke

In article <[email hidden]>, Thomas \"Tommy\" Gunn

Quoted message said:

Tyler will win it. Mark my words. He will be tanned , rested and relaxed,
not to mention mad.

If his appeal fails, he won't be eligible to compete. Is he not under a
2 year suspension effective Sept 2004 (from the Vuelta)? If the
original decision is upheld Tyler will return to the TDF at age 36.
It's over.

Luke

In article <[email hidden]>, Thomas \"Tommy\" Gunn

Quoted message said:

Tyler will win it. Mark my words. He will be tanned , rested and relaxed,
not to mention mad.

If his appeal fails, he won't be eligible to compete. Is he not under a
2 year suspension effective Sept 2004 (from the Vuelta)? If the
original decision is upheld Tyler will return to the TDF at age 36.
It's over.

Luke

In article <[email hidden]>, Thomas \"Tommy\" Gunn

Quoted message said:

Tyler will win it. Mark my words. He will be tanned , rested and relaxed,
not to mention mad.

If his appeal fails, he won't be eligible to compete. Is he not under a
2 year suspension effective Sept 2004 (from the Vuelta)? If the
original decision is upheld Tyler will return to the TDF at age 36.
It's over.

Luke

In article <[email hidden]>, Thomas \"Tommy\" Gunn

Quoted message said:

Tyler will win it. Mark my words. He will be tanned , rested and relaxed,
not to mention mad.

If his appeal fails, he won't be eligible to compete. Is he not under a
2 year suspension effective Sept 2004 (from the Vuelta)? If the
original decision is upheld Tyler will return to the TDF at age 36.
It's over.

Luke

In article <[email hidden]>, Thomas \"Tommy\" Gunn

Quoted message said:

Tyler will win it. Mark my words. He will be tanned , rested and relaxed,
not to mention mad.

If his appeal fails, he won't be eligible to compete. Is he not under a
2 year suspension effective Sept 2004 (from the Vuelta)? If the
original decision is upheld Tyler will return to the TDF at age 36.
It's over.

Luke

"Luke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Who's next? At the 2006 TDF, I can't help but think that that question
will run second to 'Could Lance have won eight?' Next year's victor
will have to do much to emerge from the shadow of LA's incredible
legacy and the unanswered question (of win number 8) his retirement in
top form poses.

I don't think Lance was in top form this year. I think if he had to return
to do #8 he would've lost and not cared. He seemed very bored with the Tour
this year. In fact, everyone was bored with it.

"Luke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Who's next? At the 2006 TDF, I can't help but think that that question
will run second to 'Could Lance have won eight?' Next year's victor
will have to do much to emerge from the shadow of LA's incredible
legacy and the unanswered question (of win number 8) his retirement in
top form poses.

I don't think Lance was in top form this year. I think if he had to return
to do #8 he would've lost and not cared. He seemed very bored with the Tour
this year. In fact, everyone was bored with it.

"Luke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Who's next? At the 2006 TDF, I can't help but think that that question
will run second to 'Could Lance have won eight?' Next year's victor
will have to do much to emerge from the shadow of LA's incredible
legacy and the unanswered question (of win number 8) his retirement in
top form poses.

I don't think Lance was in top form this year. I think if he had to return
to do #8 he would've lost and not cared. He seemed very bored with the Tour
this year. In fact, everyone was bored with it.

"Luke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Who's next? At the 2006 TDF, I can't help but think that that question
will run second to 'Could Lance have won eight?' Next year's victor
will have to do much to emerge from the shadow of LA's incredible
legacy and the unanswered question (of win number 8) his retirement in
top form poses.

I don't think Lance was in top form this year. I think if he had to return
to do #8 he would've lost and not cared. He seemed very bored with the Tour
this year. In fact, everyone was bored with it.