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  1. Below is a post from one markd .. posted to a
    nutrition list.

    He SPECIFICALLY tells people NOT to attempt to use the
    method of hemodilution / bloodletting to prevent
    vision loss ..

    He has been repeatedly asked to supply credentials or
    'cites' / medical citations to bolster his .. advice ..

    He cannot and/or .. refuses ..

    But he is DETERMINED to attempt to steer diabetics AWAY from
    studies / research which SPECIFICALLY speak to IMPROVEMENT
    of eyes in over 43% of diabetics ..

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Prevention of vision loss / diabetes From: markd@toad-
    net.com Date: 6/11/2004 3:17 PM Mountain Daylight Time Message-
    id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Tom, not only should diabetics not do bloodletting, for
    some it would be very bad as they require iron
    supplementation to fight iron anemia.

    biospace.comnews story.cfm
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    These data suggest the key to minimizing vision loss is
    earlier detection through increased screenings and
    treatments that inhibit progression of diabetic macular
    edema toward the center of the macula.
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    Graefes Arch Clin Exp Ophthalmol. 2001 Dec;239(12):909-14.
    Related Articles, Links

    Effect of isovolemic hemodilution in central retinal vein
    occlusion.

    Glacet-Bernard A, Zourdani A, Milhoub M, Maraqua N, Coscas
    G, Soubrane G.

    University Eye Clinic of Creteil, Intercommunal and Henri
    Mondor (Assistance Publique des Hjpitaux de Paris)
    Hospitals, University of Paris XII, France.
    [email hidden]

    BACKGROUND: Hemorheologic abnormalities have recently been
    shown to play a role in the pathogenesis of retinal vein
    occlusion (RVO), and several studies have demonstrated the
    efficacy of isovolemic hemodilution in these eyes. This
    study was designed to investigate further the effects of
    hemodilution, with regard to the duration of symptoms before
    the treatment. METHODS: In a prospective study, 142 eyes
    with central or hemicentral RVO were treated by isovolemic
    hemodilution. The target hematocrit value was 35%. Mean
    duration of follow-up was 10 months. A subgroup of 50
    patients treated within 2 weeks of the onset of symptoms was
    compared first with patients treated later by hemodilution,
    and then retrospectively with controls with central RVO and
    without hemodilution. RESULTS: Hemodilution therapy resulted
    in a decrease in hematocrit level from 42% to 32% on
    average, with no major side effect. After treatment, a
    significant decrease was observed in hemorheologic
    parameters (fibrinogen, erythrocyte aggregation), except in
    plasma viscosity. Retinal circulation times were
    significantly shortened. Visual acuity (VA) improvement
    immediately after treatment (in 43% of eyes) was correlated
    with better final visual outcome (P<0.05). At the end of follow-
    up, VA was better in patients treated within the first 2
    weeks than in those treated later and in controls (41% had
    VA of 20/40 or more in the early-treatment group versus 23%
    in the late-treatment group, P<0.01). Final retinal ischemia
    was also greater in the late-treatment group and in
    controls. Hemodilution in 12 patients with long-standing RVO
    and macular edema was ineffective. CONCLUSION: Our study is
    consistent with previous investigations that confirmed the
    efficacy of isovolemic hemodilution in RVO on hemorheologic
    parameters, retinal circulation times and final VA. It also
    underlined strongly the benefit of early treatment within
    the first 2 weeks of the RVO. Further studies are required
    to confirm these results.

    PMID: 11820695 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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  2. "doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Below is a post from one markd .. posted to a
    nutrition list.

    He SPECIFICALLY tells people NOT to attempt to use the
    method of


    hemodilution /

    Quoted message said:

    bloodletting to prevent vision loss ..

    Seems like a reasonable thing to do (what HE says). that is,
    tell people NOT to.

    Quoted message said:


    He has been repeatedly asked to supply credentials or
    'cites' / medical citations to bolster his .. advice ..

    And he doesn't. What a bugger.

    Quoted message said:


    He cannot and/or .. refuses ..

    But he is DETERMINED to attempt to steer diabetics AWAY
    from studies /


    research

    Quoted message said:

    which SPECIFICALLY speak to IMPROVEMENT of eyes in over
    43% of diabetics


    ..

    Does that mean it doesn't have a good effect for the
    remaining 57%? If so, I'm with marky boy.

    Beav

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