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  1. Pat in TX wrote:
    ::: Well, I'm not really into anything else. The only "sports" I've
    ::: ever done are walking, running or cycling. I'm not coordinated
    ::: enough to play ball games, though my partner has mentioned starting
    ::: up playing squash............
    ::
    :: Here is what my ortho doc told me one day: "Go to a tall building
    :: and walk up the stairs. Then, take the elevator down. Do this over
    :: and over until you are tired or until you have done 30 minutes."
    :: The reasoning is that going down stairs is so much harder on your
    :: knees than going up. He didn't say run up the stairs--just walk up.
    ::
    ::
    ::
    :::
    ::: Truth be told, the bike is probably too big for me all round. I
    ::: have to have
    ::: the seat the lowest it will go just to reach the pedals without
    ::: straining. (my leg is almost at full extention without being too
    ::: straight if that makes
    ::: sense?) It's a boys bike, so has a straight bar from handle bars
    ::: to seat post. I can *just* stand astride that while touching the
    ::: ground, without doing myself a mischief 😉 It also seems abit of a
    ::: stretch to the handle bars, I almost feel like I'm taking alot of
    ::: my body weight on my hands? I have no idea how to measure a bike
    ::: frame, and although I'm 5'4, most of my height is in my body I
    ::: think.
    ::
    :: This doesn't sound good. Think of your body on a bike as a triangle
    :: consisting of your hands, your bum, and your feet. You are supposed
    :: to be balanced. Too much weight on the hands and your back will
    :: start to complain and so will your neck. I would suggest going to a
    :: local bike shop and let the experts there "eyeball" your setup. Most
    :: bike shop personnel are good people who genuinely want to help
    :: people have fun riding bicycles.
    ::
    ::
    :::
    ::: I did another 8kms this morning. About 4 were into a head wind,
    ::: which definately gave me a workout! Felt quite good except for my
    ::: sore bum. Anyone
    ::: tried gel seat covers?
    ::
    :: No, forget the gel seat covers. It simply takes a while for your bum
    :: to "toughen up." I know it sounds bad, but that is what will happen.
    :: I can be off of the bike for a week and will have to deal with a
    :: sore rear when I start riding again. If I don't swim for a week,
    :: there is no penalty that I can detect, but cycling....still, your
    :: saddle may need to be changed out. Mine has a cut-out down the
    :: middle. That saves the "soft bits" from getting squashed.
    ::
    ::
    :::
    ::: I realise I will eventually need a new/better bike. We do have one,
    ::: but for
    ::: now I need the safety of my chunky bike 🙂 I'm not overly confident
    ::: on it, have to slow right down to go round corners etc, as I'm
    ::: scared of falling off 🙁 The racing bike would seem even more
    ::: spindly.
    :::
    ::: W
    ::
    :: Your bike may be just fine, but the set up is not fine. It needs to
    :: be "dialed in" for your body. Maybe a few tweaks here and there will
    :: make you a lot happier riding it. I suspect your handlebars are too
    :: low, as well. Let a pro tell you, though, before your back starts to
    :: hurt and you get a kink in your neck. My mountain bike is similar
    :: to your bike. I feel like I'm riding a cow pony when I ride it
    :: whereas my road bike feels like riding a mosquito. One of these
    :: days, you'll get on a mosquito and appreciate it, but not for awhile
    :: just yet. Something to look forward to, though.
    ::
    :: Oh, and BTW: you don't fall "off" of a bike---it falls along with
    :: you! 🙂 Just make sure to fall on the left side. Remember that;
    :: it's important. Pat in TX

    hehehe.. You told me that....the first time I fell I thought, "Now, how in
    the hell am I supposed to make sure I fall to the left?!?" I still haven't
    figured that out....


  2. Quoted message said:

    :: Oh, and BTW: you don't fall "off" of a bike---it falls along with
    :: you! 🙂 Just make sure to fall on the left side. Remember that;
    :: it's important. Pat in TX

    Quoted message said:

    hehehe.. You told me that....the first time I fell I thought, "Now, how in
    the hell am I supposed to make sure I fall to the left?!?" I still
    haven't figured that out....

    Ooh Ooh! My hand's up! Call on me! I have figured it out!

    Right as you start to fall, pull the right handlebar towards your stomach.
    After all, you still have your hands on the handlebars, so pull it towards
    you.

    Pat in TX

    Quoted message said:


  3. Pat in TX wrote:
    ::::: Oh, and BTW: you don't fall "off" of a bike---it falls along with
    ::::: you! 🙂 Just make sure to fall on the left side. Remember that;
    ::::: it's important. Pat in TX
    :::
    ::
    ::
    ::: hehehe.. You told me that....the first time I fell I thought, "Now,
    ::: how in the hell am I supposed to make sure I fall to the left?!?"
    ::: I still haven't figured that out....
    ::
    ::
    :: Ooh Ooh! My hand's up! Call on me! I have figured it out!
    ::
    :: Right as you start to fall, pull the right handlebar towards your
    :: stomach. After all, you still have your hands on the handlebars, so
    :: pull it towards you.
    ::
    :: Pat in TX

    Next time I go down, I'll try to remember that!!!! 🙂


  4. Quoted message said:

    :: Right as you start to fall, pull the right handlebar towards your
    :: stomach. After all, you still have your hands on the handlebars, so
    :: pull it towards you.
    ::
    :: Pat in TX

    Quoted message said:


    Next time I go down, I'll try to remember that!!!! 🙂

    This is a theory of mine for falling without breaking the collarbone. Have
    you noticed that people tend to break the collarbone a lot? Well, I think
    they are hitting their shoulders perpendicular to the road. If they were to
    turn just a bit, maybe the force would be blunted and the bone wouldn't give
    'way. Now, a person doesn't have time in a fall to orient their back to the
    road (or so I speculate), but just maybe if you ingrain the thought to pull
    the handlebar towards you, that would rotate the shoulder around enough so
    it wouldn't be hitting on the point, so to speak. We need to spread this
    idea around so as to have a larger experimental group involved. This idea
    came to me after a woman in our group let her front tire touch the rear tire
    of the guy in front of her. Down she went. That wasn't a particularly fast
    fall, so it seems to me that besides saying "Oh no!", she might have had
    time to yank on the handlebar. One thing we know for sure is not to put the
    hand down with the arm straight. This is a sure way to break your wrist!

    Pat

    Quoted message said:


  5. Pat in TX wrote:
    ::::: Right as you start to fall, pull the right handlebar towards your
    ::::: stomach. After all, you still have your hands on the handlebars,
    ::::: so pull it towards you.
    :::::
    ::::: Pat in TX
    ::
    :::
    ::: Next time I go down, I'll try to remember that!!!! 🙂
    ::
    :: This is a theory of mine for falling without breaking the
    :: collarbone. Have you noticed that people tend to break the
    :: collarbone a lot? Well, I think they are hitting their shoulders
    :: perpendicular to the road. If they were to turn just a bit, maybe
    :: the force would be blunted and the bone wouldn't give 'way. Now, a
    :: person doesn't have time in a fall to orient their back to the road
    :: (or so I speculate), but just maybe if you ingrain the thought to
    :: pull the handlebar towards you, that would rotate the shoulder
    :: around enough so it wouldn't be hitting on the point, so to speak.
    :: We need to spread this idea around so as to have a larger
    :: experimental group involved. This idea came to me after a woman in
    :: our group let her front tire touch the rear tire of the guy in front
    :: of her. Down she went. That wasn't a particularly fast fall, so it
    :: seems to me that besides saying "Oh no!", she might have had time to
    :: yank on the handlebar. One thing we know for sure is not to put the
    :: hand down with the arm straight. This is a sure way to break your
    :: wrist!

    I think part of the issue with doing any of this is that we don't want to
    crash and thinking of reacting a certain way in a crash will probably make
    you crash. Everytime I've gone down it was never a time when I had any
    presense of mind to do anything but kiss pavement. The only way I can
    envision doing otherwise is to crash on purpose (mountain biking comes to
    mind now). The best way to learn a thing is to do a thing, IMO. Theory is
    great but not truly useful until put in the practice, IMO.

    ::
    :: Pat

  6. I think you can rehearse things like this in your mind and then you will be
    prepared to do them when the time comes. You can't just say you will do it,
    you have to do it mentally, imagine it happening and you reacting the way
    you want to. Repeat every now and then and it will become ingrained.

    In news:[email hidden],
    Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> stated
    | I think part of the issue with doing any of this is that we don't
    | want to crash and thinking of reacting a certain way in a crash will
    | probably make you crash. Everytime I've gone down it was never a
    | time when I had any presense of mind to do anything but kiss
    | pavement. The only way I can envision doing otherwise is to crash on
    | purpose (mountain biking comes to mind now). The best way to learn a
    | thing is to do a thing, IMO. Theory is great but not truly useful
    | until put in the practice, IMO.
    |

  7. FOB wrote:
    :: I think you can rehearse things like this in your mind and then you
    :: will be prepared to do them when the time comes. You can't just say
    :: you will do it, you have to do it mentally, imagine it happening and
    :: you reacting the way you want to. Repeat every now and then and it
    :: will become ingrained.

    I suppose....but I can't see crusing down the road at 20 mph mentally
    thinking about pulling my handle bars to the right. Nope, I just can't see
    doing that. 🙂

    ::
    :: In news:[email hidden],
    :: Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> stated
    ::: I think part of the issue with doing any of this is that we don't
    ::: want to crash and thinking of reacting a certain way in a crash will
    ::: probably make you crash. Everytime I've gone down it was never a
    ::: time when I had any presense of mind to do anything but kiss
    ::: pavement. The only way I can envision doing otherwise is to crash
    ::: on purpose (mountain biking comes to mind now). The best way to
    ::: learn a thing is to do a thing, IMO. Theory is great but not truly
    ::: useful until put in the practice, IMO.

  8. You don't do it while you are actually riding, you do it sitting in your
    living room. Haven't you ever rehearsed something you dreaded doing, like
    telling someone something uncomfortable? Just visualize yourself riding,
    starting to fall and then do the actual motions with your hands that would
    result in pulling the handle bars to the right.

    In news:[email hidden],
    Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> stated

    | I suppose....but I can't see crusing down the road at 20 mph mentally
    | thinking about pulling my handle bars to the right. Nope, I just
    | can't see doing that. 🙂
    |

  9. Hmm..... I guess one can try that....

    FOB wrote:
    :: You don't do it while you are actually riding, you do it sitting in
    :: your living room. Haven't you ever rehearsed something you dreaded
    :: doing, like telling someone something uncomfortable? Just visualize
    :: yourself riding, starting to fall and then do the actual motions
    :: with your hands that would result in pulling the handle bars to the
    :: right.
    ::
    :: In news:[email hidden],
    :: Roger Zoul <[email hidden]> stated
    ::
    ::: I suppose....but I can't see crusing down the road at 20 mph
    ::: mentally thinking about pulling my handle bars to the right. Nope,
    ::: I just can't see doing that. 🙂

  10. Just been for another bike ride, after two mornings off. Abit of a wind this
    morning, which meant for half the ride I had a reasonable head wind, and
    half a sort of side/tail wind. But atleast I know I don't need it dead calm
    to manage it 🙂

    12km this morning, in 36minutes. Probably very slow to you "pro's", but I'm
    quite happy with it. Hubby is starting to realise that I might actually be
    sticking with it, and is mumbling about maybe starting biking himself. (but
    not at the same time as he's fast asleep!)

    I have sorted out a reasonably safe route, which is basically 2kms out, then
    a block which is a 2km loop and I can do as many times as I'm able to, and
    then 2kms home. It may sound boring to most people, but it's enough for me
    at the moment. There are a few slight rises, probably the average cyclist
    wouldn't notice them, but to me they feel huge lol It also helps, when I'm
    doing a loop, to just concentrate on finishing that loop. It seems more
    maneagable than having a huge course set out ahead of me, or having to watch
    the clock and ride for X amount of minutes, if that makes sense? I'm also
    slowly gaining confidence going round corners, and no longer need to slow
    right down! That may change however when/if the road is wet, as I worry
    about sliding over on white lines.

    Must add, it was just starting to spit abit as I finished, and now 11/2 hrs
    later, it is blowing a gale and pouring down. Yay! Glad I got the ride in
    when I did.

    W

  11. Good job, W...those miles are increasing, slowly but surely. Have fun.

    Wednesday wrote:
    :: Just been for another bike ride, after two mornings off. Abit of a
    :: wind this morning, which meant for half the ride I had a reasonable
    :: head wind, and half a sort of side/tail wind. But atleast I know I
    :: don't need it dead calm to manage it 🙂
    ::
    :: 12km this morning, in 36minutes. Probably very slow to you "pro's",
    :: but I'm quite happy with it. Hubby is starting to realise that I
    :: might actually be sticking with it, and is mumbling about maybe
    :: starting biking himself. (but not at the same time as he's fast
    :: asleep!)
    ::
    :: I have sorted out a reasonably safe route, which is basically 2kms
    :: out, then a block which is a 2km loop and I can do as many times as
    :: I'm able to, and then 2kms home. It may sound boring to most people,
    :: but it's enough for me at the moment. There are a few slight rises,
    :: probably the average cyclist wouldn't notice them, but to me they
    :: feel huge lol It also helps, when I'm doing a loop, to just
    :: concentrate on finishing that loop. It seems more maneagable than
    :: having a huge course set out ahead of me, or having to watch the
    :: clock and ride for X amount of minutes, if that makes sense? I'm
    :: also slowly gaining confidence going round corners, and no longer
    :: need to slow right down! That may change however when/if the road is
    :: wet, as I worry about sliding over on white lines.
    ::
    :: Must add, it was just starting to spit abit as I finished, and now
    :: 11/2 hrs later, it is blowing a gale and pouring down. Yay! Glad I
    :: got the ride in when I did.
    ::
    :: W

  12. Wednesday said:

    Just been for another bike ride, after two mornings off. Abit of a wind this
    morning, which meant for half the ride I had a reasonable head wind, and
    half a sort of side/tail wind. But atleast I know I don't need it dead calm
    to manage it 🙂

    12km this morning, in 36minutes. Probably very slow to you "pro's", but I'm
    quite happy with it. Hubby is starting to realise that I might actually be
    sticking with it, and is mumbling about maybe starting biking himself. (but
    not at the same time as he's fast asleep!)

    I have sorted out a reasonably safe route, which is basically 2kms out, then
    a block which is a 2km loop and I can do as many times as I'm able to, and
    then 2kms home. It may sound boring to most people, but it's enough for me
    at the moment. There are a few slight rises, probably the average cyclist
    wouldn't notice them, but to me they feel huge lol It also helps, when I'm
    doing a loop, to just concentrate on finishing that loop. It seems more
    maneagable than having a huge course set out ahead of me, or having to watch
    the clock and ride for X amount of minutes, if that makes sense? I'm also
    slowly gaining confidence going round corners, and no longer need to slow
    right down! That may change however when/if the road is wet, as I worry
    about sliding over on white lines.

    Must add, it was just starting to spit abit as I finished, and now 11/2 hrs
    later, it is blowing a gale and pouring down. Yay! Glad I got the ride in
    when I did.

    W

    I bike to shop -- bookstores, coffeeshops and malls are my favorites.

    Eventually, you might be able to extend your bike route to include some
    "fun" things.

    Keep it up. Enjoy.

    Jim

    --
    1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
    2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
    3) Don't Diet Without Supplemental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
    book
    4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

  13. "Jbuch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    I bike to shop -- bookstores, coffeeshops and malls are my favorites.

    Eventually, you might be able to extend your bike route to include some
    "fun" things.

    Lol, there isn't much open at 4:30am 😉 But yes, hopefully when I get abit
    fitter and look better in bike shorts I'll do a few days rides, and actually
    go places rather than around in circles!

    Quoted message said:

    Keep it up. Enjoy.

    Jim

    Actually, I am enjoying it. More than I thought I would! It's early days yet
    and have only had one day with abit of wind, so we'll see how keen I am in
    the middle of winter.

    Went this morning. Was a slight wind, not as bad as yesterday, and abit
    nippier on my bare arms. Managed 14kms, in 44 minutes. Not exactly setting
    any records, but it's only my 5th day on the bike. Once I can get abit more
    fitter, then I'll look into the fancy stuff like rpm's and things 😉

    W

  14. Wednesday wrote:
    :: "Jbuch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :: news:[email hidden]
    ::
    :: <snip>
    ::
    ::: I bike to shop -- bookstores, coffeeshops and malls are my
    ::: favorites.
    :::
    ::: Eventually, you might be able to extend your bike route to include
    ::: some "fun" things.
    ::
    :: Lol, there isn't much open at 4:30am 😉 But yes, hopefully when I
    :: get abit fitter and look better in bike shorts I'll do a few days
    :: rides, and actually go places rather than around in circles!
    ::
    ::: Keep it up. Enjoy.
    :::
    ::: Jim
    ::
    :: Actually, I am enjoying it. More than I thought I would! It's early
    :: days yet and have only had one day with abit of wind, so we'll see
    :: how keen I am in the middle of winter.
    ::
    :: Went this morning. Was a slight wind, not as bad as yesterday, and
    :: abit nippier on my bare arms. Managed 14kms, in 44 minutes. Not
    :: exactly setting any records, but it's only my 5th day on the bike.
    :: Once I can get abit more fitter, then I'll look into the fancy stuff
    :: like rpm's and things 😉

    I think you're doing really great!

    When I started, I rode loops through my neighborhood. Then I rode in a
    nearby park. Then I rode at this old airport that I had a 7 mile loop, with
    no traffic lights and only 1 stop sign. Then I rode on the open road. Baby
    steps wins out every time....

    After a bit more time, you might enjoy hanging out over in
    rec.bicycles.misc, too.

  15. You can always pull some pants over the bike shorts. I bought some "shell"
    shorts made out of nylon for just that purpose.

    Pat in TX

  16. "Pat in TX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You can always pull some pants over the bike shorts. I bought some "shell"
    shorts made out of nylon for just that purpose.

    Hi Pat,

    Well, because of the cold, I do wear a pair of long tights under my shorts.
    Suppose I could do it the other way round! It's more that my shirt tends to
    accentuate the rolls 😉

  17. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    I think you're doing really great!

    Thanks 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    When I started, I rode loops through my neighborhood. Then I rode in a
    nearby park. Then I rode at this old airport that I had a 7 mile loop,


    with

    Quoted message said:

    no traffic lights and only 1 stop sign. Then I rode on the open road.


    Baby

    Quoted message said:

    steps wins out every time....

    Where I ride is pretty close to home (about 2kms) so if I have a
    breakdown/fall it isn't that far to limp home! Plus it seems to be a
    relatively safe and quiet neighbourhood. Only one set of traffic lights
    which is always green.

    This morningI had my first real moment of "it's cold, I'm tired, I can't be
    bothered". I made myself go out anyway, figuring even if I only managed
    2kms, it'd be better than doing nothing!

    It *was* freezing. I couldn't find my windbreaker, so only had a short
    sleeve shirt on, and definately felt it. My fingertips felt like they were
    going to drop off too! I altered my course slightly to sort of incorporate 2
    loops I'd previously done, so it was a 4km loop. In the end I did 20km! Yay!
    Took an hour and 4 minutes. I don't think I will try an increase the
    distance again this week.. I will stick with trying to get faster at the
    20kms, although the way I feel tonight I might be struggling to do 10kms in
    the morning.

    Quoted message said:

    After a bit more time, you might enjoy hanging out over in
    rec.bicycles.misc, too.

    I shall have a lurk 🙂

    W

  18. two things worry me about your post.
    1.) do you have a pump, tube patches, and tire levers in a kit in case you
    get a flat?
    2.) are you paying enough attention to dressing for the conditions? I know
    that under-dressing results in more calories used, but....

    Pat in TX where we do NOT have to worry about cold weather right now.


  19. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You can always pull some pants over the bike shorts. I bought some
    "shell"
    shorts made out of nylon for just that purpose.

    Hi Pat,

    Well, because of the cold, I do wear a pair of long tights under my
    shorts.
    Suppose I could do it the other way round! It's more that my shirt tends
    to
    accentuate the rolls 😉


    The conventional wisdom is to have the cycling shorts' pad next to your
    skin. Some people put a layer of petrolatum jelly or a lanolin-based cream
    in the creases of the skin where the legs join to the body to reduce chafing
    problems. There is a product having to do with udders that some people use.
    You don't want that area to be dry because of shear forces that can occur on
    the skin. I would dress the upper body in layers. You probably know all
    about that. You are using cycling gloves, right?

    Pat in TX

    Quoted message said:
  20. Pat in TX wrote:
    :: two things worry me about your post.
    :: 1.) do you have a pump, tube patches, and tire levers in a kit in
    :: case you get a flat?
    :: 2.) are you paying enough attention to dressing for the conditions?
    :: I know that under-dressing results in more calories used, but....

    Boy...last winter I happened to underestimate how cold it was out side and
    tried to ride in come gloves that had my fingers exposed. I only got about
    2 miles before I had to run around. By the time I got back to the car, my
    fingers were ready to fall off!

    W - you'll have to learn to dress right for the conditions there. It's a
    thin line between over dressing (the tendency is to do that) and under
    dressing. But you'll definitely need some good gloves that cover your
    fingertips completely as cold air will do you in once you start moving.
    That will kill your motivation in no time.

    ::
    :: Pat in TX where we do NOT have to worry about cold weather right now.

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