Anybody actually own a Cannondale Street Rohloff?

[[email protected]]

Have decided to get one but just wondered if it's worth the money?
Also, the best price I can find is £1999 from Bonthrone - any ideas
for a better offer?

Cheers

Steve

 

[Tosspot]

[email protected] wrote:

> Have decided to get one but just wondered if it's worth the money?
> Also, the best price I can find is £1999 from Bonthrone - any ideas
> for a better offer?

<drool> Can I have a go mate?

 

[Call me Bob]

On 10 Aug 2005 08:45:53 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>Have decided to get one but just wondered if it's worth the money?
>Also, the best price I can find is £1999 from Bonthrone - any ideas
>for a better offer?

Yes, there's some chap keeps listing them on ebay for a starting price
of £13. Apparently he'll ship anywhere in the world for free as long
as you'll pay him via Western Union.

I'd really like a rohloff equipped bike, similar to the Cannondale,
but not, if you see what I mean. Seems to me Cannondales are the kind
of bike you can only take out of the house when you intend to sit on
them *all* the time. Ten minutes alone and any Cannondale must be
surrounded by 15 chavs and armfuls of bolt cropping/component
stripping tools.

Thorn do a range of purpose built rohloff bikes which you might find
interesting. The Raven models are the rohloff'd ones:

http://www.sjscycles.com/thornbrochure.asp


Personally, I'd go with a Roberts custom frame rohloff build.

*drool*


"Bob"
--

"I will refuse to register for an ID card and will donate £10
to a legal defence fund but only if 10,000 other people will
also make this same pledge." Phil Booth, NO2ID

Join the Pledge !!

http://www.pledgebank.com/refuse

http://www.pledgebank.com/faq


Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

 

[[email protected]]

Yeah, I'd looked at the Ebay thing myself and have contacted the guy.
He replied saying that it was a fixed price of £700 which is still
bloody good, but as you say payment was to be via WU. Looking forther
into it, it had all the hallmarks of a scam so I backed off!

What about the Roberts thing. Any links or info for me?
Had looked into the Thorn route but decided that after modding the
price would creep up to that of the Cannondale. It also has the benefit
of disc brakes and not V brakes (purely from a maintenance point of
view).

Cheers

Zorro

 

[Tony Raven]

[email protected] wrote:
> Yeah, I'd looked at the Ebay thing myself and have contacted the guy.
> He replied saying that it was a fixed price of £700 which is still
> bloody good, but as you say payment was to be via WU. Looking forther
> into it, it had all the hallmarks of a scam so I backed off!
>

If you think it looks like a scam, do a favour to others that might get
caught and notify it to ebay. They are pretty good at sorting out
whether it is one and removing it. Money by Western Union is usually a
pretty good indicator inter alia


--
Tony

"I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
Anon

 

[[email protected]]

Did that asap but got no response!
The guy keeps re-registering under new ids and only keeps the listings
open for a day. Says he's registered in the states but he's actually in
Germany. Apparently dodgy Escrow sites are increasing rapidly and this
seems to be one of them.

It's a shame, could have done with this bike for £700!

Cheers

Steve

 

[D.M. Procida]

<[email protected]> wrote:

> Yeah, I'd looked at the Ebay thing myself and have contacted the guy.
> He replied saying that it was a fixed price of £700 which is still
> bloody good, but as you say payment was to be via WU. Looking forther
> into it, it had all the hallmarks of a scam so I backed off!

Well Christ, if you think it's a scam you'd better bloody tell eBay
about it so someone else doesn't get ripped off.

Daniele
--
Apple Juice www.apple-juice.co.uk
Chapter Arts Centre
Market Road
Cardiff CF5 1QE

 

[Tony Raven]

[email protected] wrote:
> Did that asap but got no response!

They don't generally reply IME but the ads disappear pretty quickly

> The guy keeps re-registering under new ids and only keeps the listings
> open for a day.

If that was in you reporting they can do things to stop him doing that

>
> It's a shame, could have done with this bike for £700!
>

Yes and I'd like a Litespeed for £1 but we both know we'd get nothing
other than losing our money to a scammer.

--
Tony

"I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
Anon

 

[[email protected]]

Wow! You know where you can get a Litespeed for a quid? ; )

The annoying thing is, Ebay really dont make it easy to report this
kind of thing. The only line of comms was to give them the auction
number which they said in the automated reply they would look into.
Why do I feel like I'm being birched for this anyway? I'm not the
friggin' scammer!!

Would you not say I've acted accordingly?

 

[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>,
[email protected] ('[email protected]') wrote:

> Yeah, I'd looked at the Ebay thing myself and have contacted the guy.
> He replied saying that it was a fixed price of £700 which is still
> bloody good, but as you say payment was to be via WU. Looking forther
> into it, it had all the hallmarks of a scam so I backed off!

A new Rohloff by itself costs £600 or so. You are not going to get any
legitimate dealer offering the bike for anything less than £1600. The
list price is not a bad price - you get an awful lot of quality for your
money.

--
[email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

' ' <------- this blank intentionally spaced left

 

[Call me Bob]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:43:28 +0100, Tony Raven <[email protected]>
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> Yeah, I'd looked at the Ebay thing myself and have contacted the guy.
>> He replied saying that it was a fixed price of £700 which is still
>> bloody good, but as you say payment was to be via WU. Looking forther
>> into it, it had all the hallmarks of a scam so I backed off!
>>
>
>If you think it looks like a scam, do a favour to others that might get
>caught and notify it to ebay. They are pretty good at sorting out
>whether it is one and removing it. Money by Western Union is usually a
>pretty good indicator inter alia

Oh, sorry, I should have been clearer, I thought everyone would
understand. That one is DEFINITELY a scam. Don't touch it (or any
similar sale) with a ten foot barge pole, you'll lose your money for
sure.

I reported his sales a number of times, but he (she?) went through a
phase of relisting them as fast as ebay would pull 'em.

I'm beginning to regard ebay as culpable in all this malarkey, they
can be very, very slow in taking action against this sort of listing,
even when they've been notified. You'd think that when a fraudster
starts engaging in a sustained and entirely predictable pattern of
relisting identical scam auctions ebay would make the small effort it
would take to stop it. But no, they just carry on, clearly not giving
a fig, and doing nothing until a few days after they've been notified,
again.

I initially had thought that as long as these auctions got pulled
before they ended that no harm was probably done, but it seems that
potential victims are being pulled in all the while the sale is up in
the listings. Like you, they email the "seller" directly and are then
invited to do the deal (ie the mugging) directly.

Ebay is becoming a treacherous place for the trusting and innocent.


"Bob"
--

"I will refuse to register for an ID card and will donate £10
to a legal defence fund but only if 10,000 other people will
also make this same pledge." Phil Booth, NO2ID

Join the Pledge !!

http://www.pledgebank.com/refuse

http://www.pledgebank.com/faq


Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

 

[Call me Bob]

On 11 Aug 2005 00:02:29 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>Yeah, I'd looked at the Ebay thing myself and have contacted the guy.
>He replied saying that it was a fixed price of £700 which is still
>bloody good, but as you say payment was to be via WU. Looking forther
>into it, it had all the hallmarks of a scam so I backed off!

Err, yes. I've just replied to this post, but I mistakenly tagged it
to Tony's reply. Anyway, you did the right thing by steering clear.

>What about the Roberts thing. Any links or info for me?

http://www.robertscycles.com/

Roberts are a long established custom frame builder with an excellent
reputation. Of course, like other similar builders, their frames do
not come cheap.

>Had looked into the Thorn route but decided that after modding the
>price would creep up to that of the Cannondale.

I think price is going to be a big issue whichever direction you
tackle this from. The hubs are, initially at least, very costly, so a
rohloff equipped bike will be an expensive purchase where ever you
source it.

I don't think you'll do it much cheaper than the Cannondale, I just
meant that when spending that sort of money on this sort of beast, I'd
choose differently than the Cannondale. That's a personal thing
though, obviously.

The Thorn bikes seem very well thought out, with the frames built with
the OEM dropouts which avoid the necessity of using the torque arm,
and also having the eccentric BB shell for tensioning the chain.


>It also has the benefit
>of disc brakes and not V brakes (purely from a maintenance point of
>view).

On this kind of bike I'd specifically choose V's over discs. Lower
weight, lower cost, lower "STEAL ME!" factor, and, perfectly good
stopping power. Again, a personal choice though.


"Bob"
--

"I will refuse to register for an ID card and will donate £10
to a legal defence fund but only if 10,000 other people will
also make this same pledge." Phil Booth, NO2ID

Join the Pledge !!

http://www.pledgebank.com/refuse

http://www.pledgebank.com/faq


Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

 

[[email protected]]

I currently have a Ridgeback Nemesis which has hub gears and roller
brakes, and bought it for the sole reason that it needs no maintenance
(I just dont have the time or inclination to do any with 2 young kids
about!).
Used to have a sirrus elite before that with derailleurs and v brakes
and the rear V had seized solid on the pivot posts after one winter!
So figured that disc brakes would be a similar maintenance option to
rollers (performance of which I find fine).

Had considered getting a Thorn catalyst and putting a roller on the
front using the disc mounts on the Pace carbon fork. This would mean a
wheel rebuild though for the roller hub, and I would still have a V on
the rear, and so it continues...

Cheers


Steve

 

[Arthur Clune]

Call me Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On this kind of bike I'd specifically choose V's over discs. Lower
> weight, lower cost, lower "STEAL ME!" factor, and, perfectly good
> stopping power. Again, a personal choice though.

To be honest, I think you're going to end up with a bike that's going to be
too nice to be locked up in town anyway, so I'd go the whole hog myself.

Arthur

--
Arthur Clune PGP/GPG Key: http://www.clune.org/pubkey.txt
The struggle of people against power is the struggle
of memory against forgetting - Milan Kundera

 

[Call me Bob]

On 11 Aug 2005 02:58:24 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>Used to have a sirrus elite before that with derailleurs and v brakes
>and the rear V had seized solid on the pivot posts after one winter!

That's not a problem inherent to V's, that was most probably poor
installation. I expect they were built up without a dab of grease
where there should have been a dab of grease.

In the past I've bought very expensive bikes which have been put
together with similar carelessness, so it's always worth checking this
sort of thing I think.

Good quality V brakes will need very little in the way of ongoing
maintenance as long as they are properly installed and set up.

>So figured that disc brakes would be a similar maintenance option to
>rollers (performance of which I find fine).

Well, I think as with many things, there are disc brakes, and there
are disc brakes. You will find good and bad examples of the breed.

I'm not very experienced with discs, having only just got my first set
a short while ago. My first impression of them is "***********, these
don't half squeal!"

I haven't ever used roller brakes but I do understand the attraction
of a totally faff free brake set up, but I've never found the minimal
amount of attention decent brakes require to be a problem.

Perhaps another option for you to consider would be Magura hydraulic
rim brakes? They are very highly regarded and all the accounts I've
ever read indicate they are essentially fit and forget. They will also
provide much better brake response than a hub roller brake, although
you seem happy with the performance of the roller.

Choices choices... see, this is why I'd go the custom route




"Bob"
--

"I will refuse to register for an ID card and will donate £10
to a legal defence fund but only if 10,000 other people will
also make this same pledge." Phil Booth, NO2ID

Join the Pledge !!

http://www.pledgebank.com/refuse

http://www.pledgebank.com/faq


Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

 

[Call me Bob]

On 11 Aug 2005 10:00:36 GMT, Arthur Clune <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> On this kind of bike I'd specifically choose V's over discs. Lower
>> weight, lower cost, lower "STEAL ME!" factor, and, perfectly good
>> stopping power. Again, a personal choice though.
>
>To be honest, I think you're going to end up with a bike that's going to be
>too nice to be locked up in town anyway, so I'd go the whole hog myself.

Yeah, fair point, but I think there are two types of theft you need to
guard against.

When you park and leave a bike regularly in the same location you open
yourself up to a planned theft from a well prepared pro. If you're
targeted in this way he knows what he's up to and you're very probably
going to lose the bike. I agree I wouldn't ever want to make a rohloff
bike vulnerable in this way.

The other type of theft is just from passing wankers, who spot your
bike while it's left alone for half an hour as you do some shopping or
whatever. He's got limited resources, and limited time in which to
act. With the right kind of lock, and an appropriately low theft-radar
build, I think the level of risk might be acceptable.

If the bike had CANNONDALE written on it, and had magpie eye
attracting shiny disk brakes, then I wouldn't be happy leaving it for
5 minutes. On the other hand, if it was an ordinary looking (to the
non-cyclist chav) Roberts framed bike, with no disk brakes, no
derailleurs, no fancy chainset and big lumpy looking hubs (I say hubs
because obviously it'd have to have a SON too), then I think you could
get away leaving it here and there for a while.

It's a lottery though really, innit, but if I had this kind of
supremely practical bike, I'd want to be able to use it practically.


"Bob"
--

"I will refuse to register for an ID card and will donate £10
to a legal defence fund but only if 10,000 other people will
also make this same pledge." Phil Booth, NO2ID

Join the Pledge !!

http://www.pledgebank.com/refuse

http://www.pledgebank.com/faq


Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

 

[Tony Raven]

Arthur Clune wrote:
> Call me Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On this kind of bike I'd specifically choose V's over discs. Lower
>>weight, lower cost, lower "STEAL ME!" factor, and, perfectly good
>>stopping power. Again, a personal choice though.
>
>
> To be honest, I think you're going to end up with a bike that's going to be
> too nice to be locked up in town anyway, so I'd go the whole hog myself.
>

Actually if you chose one in bright pink with that bright pink saddle on
it, given that most bike thieves are male, I reckon it would be pretty
much armourplated theft proof. No self respecting chav would want to be
seen near it, let alone trying to sell it ;-)


--
Tony

"I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
Anon

 

[[email protected]]

It's tough to know what to do!
The Cannondale comes with Magura Louise as standard. The thorn would
have unused brake posts if i went down that route....
At least I can get 0% finance on a Cannondale. SJS won't support that,
they want hard cash!
Torn to say the least....

Could always get last yrs model for £1900!

Cheers

Steve

 

[Call me Bob]

On 11 Aug 2005 04:22:49 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>The Cannondale comes with Magura Louise as standard. The thorn would
>have unused brake posts if i went down that route....
>At least I can get 0% finance on a Cannondale. SJS won't support that,
>they want hard cash!

You can get 0% finance on either, just put it on a credit card instead
of the specific loan deal. There are loads of cards doing introductory
0% finance rates, should be able to find 12 month deal easily enough.

>Torn to say the least....
>
>Could always get last yrs model for £1900!

If you're serious about this kind of purchase, I think it would have
to be worth a call to Roberts at least. Tell em your budget, and what
you were thinking in terms of components, and ask 'em if they can
offer something suitable.

Alternatively, you could just build one up yourself. Buy a (second
hand?) frame, get the wheels mit rohloff und SON built up by someone
if you don't want to do that part yourself, and choose exactly the
components you want. Then have fun with the spanners.

If you're using a non rohloff specific frame you'll need to go with
the chain tensioner of course, but that's not a disaster.



"Bob"
--

"I will refuse to register for an ID card and will donate £10
to a legal defence fund but only if 10,000 other people will
also make this same pledge." Phil Booth, NO2ID

Join the Pledge !!

http://www.pledgebank.com/refuse

http://www.pledgebank.com/faq


Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

 

[Arthur Clune]

Call me Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> It's a lottery though really, innit, but if I had this kind of
> supremely practical bike, I'd want to be able to use it practically.

That's the irony isn't it. My ideal commuter would have hydrolic disks, a
roholff, hub dynamo link to some expensive LED lights, a Ti frame, nice
wheels etc.

Trouble is I'd be too afraid to use it!

--
Arthur Clune PGP/GPG Key: http://www.clune.org/pubkey.txt
The struggle of people against power is the struggle
of memory against forgetting - Milan Kundera