Another Serious Mountain Biking Accident

[Mike Vandeman]

So much for the alleged health benefits of mountain biking....

Mike


http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Conway+mountain+biker+injured+in+'freak+accident'&articleId=164b927f-3651-4402-adca-e3c64e8a3190:

A Conway mountain biker had to be carried out from a trail leading to
Black Cat Mountain Friday night after he was injured in what
authorities described as a freak accident.

Jim Somerville, 36, was riding with a group of mountain bikers on the
Black Cat Trail around 8:20 p.m. when he collided with a stick,
roughly the size of a quarter in diameter, that was protruding over
the trail. Authorities said the collision jammed the stick into
Somerville, who was in the lead of the group.

"It actually impaled him on the leg, on the outside of his shinbone,"
said Fish & Game Department conservation officer Brian Abrams. "It
was kind of facing uphill, so it basically speared his calf."

Abrams said the group, returning from the top of the mountain, was
about a mile and a half away from the nearest road when the incident
took place.

After Somerville was hurt, another person in his party called for aid
on a mobile phone. Along with the Fish and Game Department, about 15
firefighters from the North Conway and Bartlett fire departments
helped out with the rescue. Somerville was carried out on a litter,
emerging from the trail around 9:55 p.m. He was later taken to
Memorial Hospital in North Conway for treatment of his wounds, Abrams
said.

Abrams said Somerville was an experienced mountain biker, and credited
him for riding in a group. He also credited the group for carrying
mobile phones on their trip.
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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[JP]

Vandeman. another of society's losers.

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:51:05 GMT, "JP" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Vandeman. another of society's losers.

I'm just warning you. Obviously, I care more for your safety than YOU
do. Mountain bikers can't STAND having the truth about their selfish,
destructive sport told.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Bill]

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> So much for the alleged health benefits of mountain biking....
>
> Mike
>
>
> http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Conway+mountain+biker+injured+in+'freak+accident'&articleId=164b927f-3651-4402-adca-e3c64e8a3190:
>
> A Conway mountain biker had to be carried out from a trail leading to
> Black Cat Mountain Friday night after he was injured in what
> authorities described as a freak accident.
>
> Jim Somerville, 36, was riding with a group of mountain bikers on the
> Black Cat Trail around 8:20 p.m. when he collided with a stick,
> roughly the size of a quarter in diameter, that was protruding over
> the trail. Authorities said the collision jammed the stick into
> Somerville, who was in the lead of the group.
>
> "It actually impaled him on the leg, on the outside of his shinbone,"
> said Fish & Game Department conservation officer Brian Abrams. "It
> was kind of facing uphill, so it basically speared his calf."
>
> Abrams said the group, returning from the top of the mountain, was
> about a mile and a half away from the nearest road when the incident
> took place.
>
> After Somerville was hurt, another person in his party called for aid
> on a mobile phone. Along with the Fish and Game Department, about 15
> firefighters from the North Conway and Bartlett fire departments
> helped out with the rescue. Somerville was carried out on a litter,
> emerging from the trail around 9:55 p.m. He was later taken to
> Memorial Hospital in North Conway for treatment of his wounds, Abrams
> said.
>
> Abrams said Somerville was an experienced mountain biker, and credited
> him for riding in a group. He also credited the group for carrying
> mobile phones on their trip.

You call that serious?
Most riders, including me, would have ridden back with such a minor
injury. Pull out the stick, ride back to base, apply Peroxide and
band-aid, and continue riding.
We are not a band of sissies.
Bill Baka

 

[a]

Well I would have pulled that stick out, used it to catch a mongoose, and
then used it to light my fire to cook said mongoose on!!


"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> So much for the alleged health benefits of mountain biking....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Conway+mountain+biker+injured+in+'freak+accident'&articleId=164b927f-3651-4402-adca-e3c64e8a3190:
>>
>> A Conway mountain biker had to be carried out from a trail leading to
>> Black Cat Mountain Friday night after he was injured in what
>> authorities described as a freak accident.
>>
>> Jim Somerville, 36, was riding with a group of mountain bikers on the
>> Black Cat Trail around 8:20 p.m. when he collided with a stick,
>> roughly the size of a quarter in diameter, that was protruding over
>> the trail. Authorities said the collision jammed the stick into
>> Somerville, who was in the lead of the group. "It actually impaled him on
>> the leg, on the outside of his shinbone,"
>> said Fish & Game Department conservation officer Brian Abrams. "It
>> was kind of facing uphill, so it basically speared his calf." Abrams said
>> the group, returning from the top of the mountain, was
>> about a mile and a half away from the nearest road when the incident
>> took place. After Somerville was hurt, another person in his party called
>> for aid
>> on a mobile phone. Along with the Fish and Game Department, about 15
>> firefighters from the North Conway and Bartlett fire departments
>> helped out with the rescue. Somerville was carried out on a litter,
>> emerging from the trail around 9:55 p.m. He was later taken to
>> Memorial Hospital in North Conway for treatment of his wounds, Abrams
>> said. Abrams said Somerville was an experienced mountain biker, and
>> credited
>> him for riding in a group. He also credited the group for carrying
>> mobile phones on their trip.
>
> You call that serious?
> Most riders, including me, would have ridden back with such a minor
> injury. Pull out the stick, ride back to base, apply Peroxide and
> band-aid, and continue riding.
> We are not a band of sissies.
> Bill Baka

 

[Bill]

a wrote:
> Well I would have pulled that stick out, used it to catch a mongoose, and
> then used it to light my fire to cook said mongoose on!!
>
Yer gonna haf to tell me when said Mongoose lands on California shores.
Bill Baka
Mental spell check off.

>
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> So much for the alleged health benefits of mountain biking....
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Conway+mountain+biker+injured+in+'freak+accident'&articleId=164b927f-3651-4402-adca-e3c64e8a3190:
>>>
>>> A Conway mountain biker had to be carried out from a trail leading to
>>> Black Cat Mountain Friday night after he was injured in what
>>> authorities described as a freak accident.
>>>
>>> Jim Somerville, 36, was riding with a group of mountain bikers on the
>>> Black Cat Trail around 8:20 p.m. when he collided with a stick,
>>> roughly the size of a quarter in diameter, that was protruding over
>>> the trail. Authorities said the collision jammed the stick into
>>> Somerville, who was in the lead of the group. "It actually impaled him on
>>> the leg, on the outside of his shinbone,"
>>> said Fish & Game Department conservation officer Brian Abrams. "It
>>> was kind of facing uphill, so it basically speared his calf." Abrams said
>>> the group, returning from the top of the mountain, was
>>> about a mile and a half away from the nearest road when the incident
>>> took place. After Somerville was hurt, another person in his party called
>>> for aid
>>> on a mobile phone. Along with the Fish and Game Department, about 15
>>> firefighters from the North Conway and Bartlett fire departments
>>> helped out with the rescue. Somerville was carried out on a litter,
>>> emerging from the trail around 9:55 p.m. He was later taken to
>>> Memorial Hospital in North Conway for treatment of his wounds, Abrams
>>> said. Abrams said Somerville was an experienced mountain biker, and
>>> credited
>>> him for riding in a group. He also credited the group for carrying
>>> mobile phones on their trip.
>> You call that serious?
>> Most riders, including me, would have ridden back with such a minor
>> injury. Pull out the stick, ride back to base, apply Peroxide and
>> band-aid, and continue riding.
>> We are not a band of sissies.
>> Bill Baka
>
>

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:08:35 GMT, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> So much for the alleged health benefits of mountain biking....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Conway+mountain+biker+injured+in+'freak+accident'&articleId=164b927f-3651-4402-adca-e3c64e8a3190:
>>
>> A Conway mountain biker had to be carried out from a trail leading to
>> Black Cat Mountain Friday night after he was injured in what
>> authorities described as a freak accident.
>>
>> Jim Somerville, 36, was riding with a group of mountain bikers on the
>> Black Cat Trail around 8:20 p.m. when he collided with a stick,
>> roughly the size of a quarter in diameter, that was protruding over
>> the trail. Authorities said the collision jammed the stick into
>> Somerville, who was in the lead of the group.
>>
>> "It actually impaled him on the leg, on the outside of his shinbone,"
>> said Fish & Game Department conservation officer Brian Abrams. "It
>> was kind of facing uphill, so it basically speared his calf."
>>
>> Abrams said the group, returning from the top of the mountain, was
>> about a mile and a half away from the nearest road when the incident
>> took place.
>>
>> After Somerville was hurt, another person in his party called for aid
>> on a mobile phone. Along with the Fish and Game Department, about 15
>> firefighters from the North Conway and Bartlett fire departments
>> helped out with the rescue. Somerville was carried out on a litter,
>> emerging from the trail around 9:55 p.m. He was later taken to
>> Memorial Hospital in North Conway for treatment of his wounds, Abrams
>> said.
>>
>> Abrams said Somerville was an experienced mountain biker, and credited
>> him for riding in a group. He also credited the group for carrying
>> mobile phones on their trip.
>
>You call that serious?
>Most riders, including me, would have ridden back with such a minor
>injury. Pull out the stick, ride back to base, apply Peroxide and
>band-aid, and continue riding.
>We are not a band of sissies.

Unlike you, "Somerville was an experienced mountain bike". He needed
to be carried out on a litter. That's serious, in spite of your macho
posturing.

>Bill Baka
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Bill]

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:08:35 GMT, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> So much for the alleged health benefits of mountain biking....
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Conway+mountain+biker+injured+in+'freak+accident'&articleId=164b927f-3651-4402-adca-e3c64e8a3190:
>>>
>>> A Conway mountain biker had to be carried out from a trail leading to
>>> Black Cat Mountain Friday night after he was injured in what
>>> authorities described as a freak accident.
>>>
>>> Jim Somerville, 36, was riding with a group of mountain bikers on the
>>> Black Cat Trail around 8:20 p.m. when he collided with a stick,
>>> roughly the size of a quarter in diameter, that was protruding over
>>> the trail. Authorities said the collision jammed the stick into
>>> Somerville, who was in the lead of the group.
>>>
>>> "It actually impaled him on the leg, on the outside of his shinbone,"
>>> said Fish & Game Department conservation officer Brian Abrams. "It
>>> was kind of facing uphill, so it basically speared his calf."
>>>
>>> Abrams said the group, returning from the top of the mountain, was
>>> about a mile and a half away from the nearest road when the incident
>>> took place.
>>>
>>> After Somerville was hurt, another person in his party called for aid
>>> on a mobile phone. Along with the Fish and Game Department, about 15
>>> firefighters from the North Conway and Bartlett fire departments
>>> helped out with the rescue. Somerville was carried out on a litter,
>>> emerging from the trail around 9:55 p.m. He was later taken to
>>> Memorial Hospital in North Conway for treatment of his wounds, Abrams
>>> said.
>>>
>>> Abrams said Somerville was an experienced mountain biker, and credited
>>> him for riding in a group. He also credited the group for carrying
>>> mobile phones on their trip.
>> You call that serious?
>> Most riders, including me, would have ridden back with such a minor
>> injury. Pull out the stick, ride back to base, apply Peroxide and
>> band-aid, and continue riding.
>> We are not a band of sissies.
>
> Unlike you, "Somerville was an experienced mountain bike". He needed
> to be carried out on a litter. That's serious, in spite of your macho
> posturing.
>
>> Bill Baka

It impaled his flesh near the shinbone, and that you can walk out with.
Sure it would hurt like hell, but it wouldn't be life threatening unless
it hit a major artery. Maybe the country is turning into wimps after
all??? If he was impaled in the gut then I would consider it worth a
rescue effort.
If I get impaled (hasn't happened yet) in the leg I am going to have to
walk out since I go solo. Pain is tolerable if you consider that your
life depends on it. I also ride about 20 miles from any cell phone
coverage. The only person I rely on is me, always have, always will.
I don't know anyone anywhere near my age that would even consider doing
what I do, and even my daughter's 20 something friends are light weights
hence the solo rides. Her friends range from 21 to 34 that I know of and
they are all basking in their youth and not really doing endurance
testing grinds. My daughter is 28 and I can lose her on just about
anything except the kick boxing, and there is where she is dangerous,
(to me).
Bill Baka

 

[Chris]

Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> So much for the alleged health benefits of mountain biking....
>
> Mike
>


So much for the alleged intelligence of PhD graduates

Chris

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[LIBERATOR]

On Jun 10, 9:38 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:51:05 GMT, "JP" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Vandeman. another of society's losers.
>
> I'm just warning you. Obviously, I care more for your safety than YOU
> do. Mountain bikers can't STAND having the truth about their selfish,
> destructive sport told.
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Hey what's the reasoning behind the cell phone warning?

 

[pmh]

On Jun 13, 6:54 pm, LIBERATOR <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Hey what's the reasoning behind the cell phone warning?

He's trying to branch away from the monomaniacle fixation on the
destruction of the known universe by application of not just "any"
bicycle but by "mountain bicycle." He's heard the urban myth that cell
phones can roast any or all parts of your body.

In a word: idiocy.

Pete H

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:54:29 -0000, LIBERATOR
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jun 10, 9:38 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:51:05 GMT, "JP" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Vandeman. another of society's losers.
>>
>> I'm just warning you. Obviously, I care more for your safety than YOU
>> do. Mountain bikers can't STAND having the truth about their selfish,
>> destructive sport told.
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>Hey what's the reasoning behind the cell phone warning?

Microwaves are harmful. Why do you think that they are used to COOK
FOOD? DUH!
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Chris]

>>
>>Hey what's the reasoning behind the cell phone warning?
>
> Microwaves are harmful. Why do you think that they are used to COOK
> FOOD? DUH!

Mike,
By your logic, then all music is harmful.

Music is sounds waves.

Standing next to a jet engin at its maximum thrust causes huge amounts
of sounds waves(150 dB) and can cause defness

Therefore music will cause defness.

FLAWED LOGIC Mike

Microwave over 1000 Watts (minimum)
Cell Phone 0.125 Watts (Maximum)

8000 times more powerful

Oh BTW, the frequency in a cell phone is incorrect to 'cook'

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[Bill]

Chris wrote:
>>> Hey what's the reasoning behind the cell phone warning?
>> Microwaves are harmful. Why do you think that they are used to COOK
>> FOOD? DUH!
>
> Mike,
> By your logic, then all music is harmful.
>
> Music is sounds waves.
>
> Standing next to a jet engin at its maximum thrust causes huge amounts
> of sounds waves(150 dB) and can cause defness

Man oh man is that ever true. In 1955 my dad took me to an air show at
O'Hare military field in Chicago, before it became an international
airport. Back then they let us wander the field and hangar areas and get
close up and personal with the jets. My dad being a WWII vet and
Sergeant helped a bit. We just happened to walk behind a jet that was
doing a thrust test and from about 200 feet behind it was not only
deafening but almost blew us over. I remember one flyover by F-100s at
600+ MPH and only about 100 feet off the ground. THAT was an air show!
The good old days when you didn't have to get a strip search to get on
the air field. That jet on the ground had to be 150 dB because my ears
hurt for about 15 minutes, but it is the blast I remember, like a hot
dry hurricane.
>
> Therefore music will cause defness.

Pink Floyd, 300 watts, a few beers, and a lot of pot used to make for a
memorable evening. Too loud, but we didn't care. The people my age that
are suffering hearing loss are the ones who went to disco's and danced
in front of the band's 1,000 watt speaker setup. Some younger than me
are so bad they need hearing aids. First some went to Viet Nam and then
went to disco's. Not a good mix.
Of course we are all invincible in our 20's, right?
>
> FLAWED LOGIC Mike
>
> Microwave over 1000 Watts (minimum)
> Cell Phone 0.125 Watts (Maximum)

About a watt or two depending on the negotiations with the tower. They
communicate digitally while you are talking and adjust the power to suit
the need. It can go to under 0.1 watts if you are near a tower.
>
> 8000 times more powerful
>
> Oh BTW, the frequency in a cell phone is incorrect to 'cook'

Actually, there are more than just the one band, from 900MHz to 2.1 GHz
for wireless LANs (b and g), 3.5 GHz for microwaves and some
communication equipment (Industrial, Science, Medical), and about 5 GHz
for the 802.11a LANs. All of them could cook with enough power. The
government experimented with monkeys back in the 50's and cooked an
unlucky monkey's brain with 350 MHz.
Anything in excess can hurt you.
Bill Baka

>

 

[Jim Roberts]

Give it up you moron.

jimbat

 

[[email protected]]

On Jun 10, 11:38 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:51:05 GMT, "JP" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Vandeman. another of society's losers.
>
> I'm just warning you.

What a ridiculous lie. You've shown your hand far too many times to
fool anyone, you just can't get along with others and have arbitrarily
decided to troll against a group of people who don't care about you
idea of pristine wilderness untouched by man.

>Obviously, I care more for your safety than YOU
> do.

Obviously you have no agenda except to try to find excuses to judge
others, which is sad because it obviously isn't helping you deal with
emptional issues. Would I be wrong in thinking you probably had an
overly dominating mother who abused you? That's typically the history
of someone who continually pursues such random ideals without any
grasp of how piddly and fleeting their goal really is. Cycling has
almost no effect whatsoever on wildlife, relative to most human
activites. Maybe you're just afraid of people and don't want cyclists
in the woods with you? Maybe the wildlife is afraid of you, too.


>Mountain bikers can't STAND having the truth about their selfish,
> destructive sport told.

Actually mountain biking is far less destructive than most hobbies.
What are you doing RIGHT NOW? Using a computer, whose predecessors
are leaching lead into the ground, components made in factories
polluting the air, as well as electric companies doing the same, all
because you "think" you're looking smart on usenet (but aren't) in
some bizarre form of mental masterbation.

Now contrast the mountain biker. What a terrible thing to have a
blade of grass bent over or a dirt path. Let's not consider that
animals do that, as well as nature itself changing the landscape
continually for millions of years. Obviously we should stop biking
and using cars, at which point we'll all be hiking through the
wilderness which will (get ready for it), pose a similar impact once
the majority of the population is doing it.


> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat").

Great, if it's your personal property you can do with it as you like.
However, since you feel it's ok to pollute the forum, by a similar
token you should post the address of this habitat so we can pollute
it.

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On 18 Jun 2007 13:55:15 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>
>>>Hey what's the reasoning behind the cell phone warning?
>>
>> Microwaves are harmful. Why do you think that they are used to COOK
>> FOOD? DUH!
>
>Mike,
> By your logic, then all music is harmful.
>
> Music is sounds waves.
>
> Standing next to a jet engin at its maximum thrust causes huge amounts
>of sounds waves(150 dB) and can cause defness
>
>Therefore music will cause defness.
>
>FLAWED LOGIC Mike
>
>Microwave over 1000 Watts (minimum)
>Cell Phone 0.125 Watts (Maximum)

It's the frequency that's the problem, not the power.

>8000 times more powerful
>
>Oh BTW, the frequency in a cell phone is incorrect to 'cook'
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[[email protected]]

On Jun 25, 1:28 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's the frequency that's the problem, not the power.

Guess what? Eventually it was bound to happen, you have now come
across someone who sees through your bullsh!t and calls you an
ignorant idiot.

No, ignorant one, the power is always a factor. Please quit
pretending you know something you obviously do not.

> I am working on

No you are not working, you are a piddly idiot that has no useful
purpose at all.

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:41:37 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>On Jun 10, 11:38 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:51:05 GMT, "JP" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Vandeman. another of society's losers.
>>
>> I'm just warning you.
>
>What a ridiculous lie. You've shown your hand far too many times to
>fool anyone, you just can't get along with others and have arbitrarily
>decided to troll against a group of people who don't care about you
>idea of pristine wilderness untouched by man.
>
>>Obviously, I care more for your safety than YOU
>> do.
>
>Obviously you have no agenda except to try to find excuses to judge
>others, which is sad because it obviously isn't helping you deal with
>emptional issues. Would I be wrong in thinking you probably had an
>overly dominating mother who abused you? That's typically the history
>of someone who continually pursues such random ideals without any
>grasp of how piddly and fleeting their goal really is. Cycling has
>almost no effect whatsoever on wildlife, relative to most human
>activites. Maybe you're just afraid of people and don't want cyclists
>in the woods with you? Maybe the wildlife is afraid of you, too.
>
>
>>Mountain bikers can't STAND having the truth about their selfish,
>> destructive sport told.
>
>Actually mountain biking is far less destructive than most hobbies.
>What are you doing RIGHT NOW? Using a computer, whose predecessors
>are leaching lead into the ground, components made in factories
>polluting the air, as well as electric companies doing the same, all
>because you "think" you're looking smart on usenet (but aren't) in
>some bizarre form of mental masterbation.
>
>Now contrast the mountain biker. What a terrible thing to have a
>blade of grass bent over or a dirt path. Let's not consider that
>animals do that, as well as nature itself changing the landscape
>continually for millions of years. Obviously we should stop biking
>and using cars, at which point we'll all be hiking through the
>wilderness which will (get ready for it), pose a similar impact once
>the majority of the population is doing it.
>
>
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat").
>
>Great, if it's your personal property you can do with it as you like.
>However, since you feel it's ok to pollute the forum, by a similar
>token you should post the address of this habitat so we can pollute
>it.

Your email address says it all....
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:16:13 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>On Jun 25, 1:28 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> It's the frequency that's the problem, not the power.
>
>Guess what? Eventually it was bound to happen, you have now come
>across someone who sees through your bullsh!t and calls you an
>ignorant idiot.
>
>No, ignorant one, the power is always a factor. Please quit
>pretending you know something you obviously do not.
>
>> I am working on
>
>No you are not working, you are a piddly idiot that has no useful
>purpose at all.

Read your email address & ponder it. Idiot.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande