Another exercise/BG related question

Scott wrote in message ...

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Hi:

Another question.

Allow me to begin from the begining. We had some cookies from the bakery in the house yesterday, I
had about 3 small cookies with the little sprinkles on the, (very small, about an inch long) and
about 20 minutes later, went to the gym. Right before I went to the gym, I check my BG, it was 125.
I then proceeded to run on the treadmill for 32 minutes, equalling 3 miles and 340 calories. I was
dead tired, felt great.

About an hour and a hlaf later, check my BG and it was 153...I am not sure if it was cookie related
or exercise related. I then decided to eat some chicken minestrone soup....about 30 grams of carbs
and such (potatoes, noodles) etc.

2 hours afterwards, BG was 107.

Now, was the shoot up to 153 the exercise? Thoughts? Makes me not want to exercise!!

Scott

Exercise, diabetes, and bG are so complicated I get a headache every time I try to read the
explanation.

For a Type 2, here is a little bit:

a. You start to exercise
b. Your body releases stress hormones in response to the exercise
c. The stress hormones send orders to:

d. Your liver to release some glucose ii. Your pancreas to release some of your 1st
Response insulin.

Oops. You're a Type 2. You don't have any 1st Response Insulin. That shot of glucose raises your bG
but there's no corresponding 1st Response Insulin to deal with it, or not much, or whatever. .
.(where are you on the T2 progression?)

Sooner or later your impaired pancreas will get around to dealing with the bG. Your sugars will
drop. Then, that exercise will assist you in controlling bG for 24 hours or so depending on how much
exercise you got.

Unfortunately, "sooner or later" is something you quantify via trial and error.

Last Saturday, I took an advanced Step Aerobics class, one which is about as tough as any given in
our city. (I warned the instructor before the class that I might have to drop out because of my
insulin/carb balance so don't start thinking heart attack when the old F*rt sits down)

I made it through the class, even through the 40 push ups ( arms still sore).

The Class was at 9:30 a.m. Between 7 pm and midnight, I had three 50's blood sugars. High for the
day was 95.

Regards Old Al

(Scott) said:

About an hour and a hlaf later, check my BG and it was 153...I am not sure if it was cookie
related or exercise related. I then decided to eat some chicken minestrone soup....about 30 grams
of carbs and such (potatoes, noodles) etc.

2 hours afterwards, BG was 107.

Now, was the shoot up to 153 the exercise? Thoughts? Makes me not want to exercise!!

Impossible to say for sure but it was likely the exercise. In my personal experience, a 30 minute
run will result in a higher reading than a 30 minute walk. A walk will typically reduce my BG, a run
will usually raise it a bit in the short term.

Al,

It's worth mentioning that if you are a dedicated low carber who has kept your blood sugar under 60
grams a day for at least a couple weeks your liver may not have the glycogen needed to create that
liver dump and your blood sugar will go down, not up as you exercise.

In that case, you might even need to eat 2 or 3 grams of glucose at the 30 minute point to keep from
feeling half dead.

-- Jenny

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Scott wrote in message ...

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Hi:

Another question.

Allow me to begin from the begining. We had some cookies from the bakery in the house yesterday,
I had about 3 small cookies with the little sprinkles on the, (very small, about an inch long)
and about 20 minutes later, went to the gym. Right before I went to the gym, I check my BG, it
was 125. I then proceeded to run on the treadmill for 32 minutes, equalling 3 miles and 340
calories. I was dead tired, felt great.

About an hour and a hlaf later, check my BG and it was 153...I am not sure if it was cookie
related or exercise related. I then decided to eat some chicken minestrone soup....about 30 grams
of carbs and such (potatoes, noodles) etc.

2 hours afterwards, BG was 107.

Now, was the shoot up to 153 the exercise? Thoughts? Makes me not want to exercise!!

Scott

Exercise, diabetes, and bG are so complicated I get a headache every

time

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I try to read the explanation.

For a Type 2, here is a little bit:

a. You start to exercise
b. Your body releases stress hormones in response to the exercise
c. The stress hormones send orders to:

i. Your liver to release some glucose ii. Your pancreas to release some of your 1st
Response insulin.

Oops. You're a Type 2. You don't have any 1st Response Insulin. That shot of glucose raises your
bG but there's no corresponding 1st Response Insulin to deal with it, or not much, or whatever. .
.(where are you on

the

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T2 progression?)

Sooner or later your impaired pancreas will get around to dealing with the bG. Your sugars will
drop. Then, that exercise will assist you in controlling bG for 24 hours or so depending on how
much exercise you got.

Unfortunately, "sooner or later" is something you quantify via trial and error.

Last Saturday, I took an advanced Step Aerobics class, one which is about as tough as any given in
our city. (I warned the instructor before the class that I might have to drop out because of my
insulin/carb balance so don't start thinking heart attack when the old F*rt sits down)

I made it through the class, even through the 40 push ups ( arms still sore).

The Class was at 9:30 a.m. Between 7 pm and midnight, I had three

50's

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blood sugars. High for the day was 95.

Regards Old Al

Jenny wrote in message ...

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Al,

It's worth mentioning that if you are a dedicated low carber who has kept your blood sugar under 60
grams a day for at least a couple weeks your

liver

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may not have the glycogen needed to create that liver dump and your blood sugar will go down, not
up as you exercise.

In that case, you might even need to eat 2 or 3 grams of glucose at the 30 minute point to keep
from feeling half dead.

-- Jenny

Yup. Makes sense for the LC T2. I think I once read that even a "glycogen-loaded-liver" can't
handle more than 1 hour of the really vigorous stuff; maybe even less. That's why the marathon
athletes are always carb loading before an event.

Somebody I read (Bernstein ?) says that a depleted liver causes "the wall" the marathon runners
talk about.

I am on the T1 side of the exercise question. Ours is almost as complicated** as the T2 side. The
basic rules are:

a. Make certain you have some insulin "coming in" (in your fat layer, desorbing throughout
the exercise)

(T1 who don't have insulin "coming in" run into big time problems really fast. . .liver
dumps + ketoacidosis)

b. "Trim" with fast carb before, during, and after as needed.

Bernstein devotes a lot of print to "a". and "b"., especially " b". He recommends pure glucose as
the fast carb.

My experience with the upper level Aerobics class was sorta humorous. I went in a bit high, ate
enough glucose to, in the absence of exercise, spike me to 170 during the class, staggered out at
85, and hit 67 a bit later at home. T1 exercise classes are bit more expensive because we use
more strips.

(**Of course, as a T1, I think T2 lifestyles are very complicated and difficult. Could be the T2
look at me that way)

Regards
Old Al