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  1. Hi Andy

    I read your post in the walking forum and agree with you, some gear is so
    exspensive I would be afraid to use it.

    I walk mainly in the Brecon Beacons, near where I live, so extreme cold is
    not that much of a problem and to be honest, for the last couple of years I
    have used ex army Gortex jackets for wet weather. Yes, they are "camo" but
    for £40 you can afford to dump them at the end of the year if they get
    damaged. Put the army Gortex with a good fleece and its not a bad winter
    combo.

    Its like a tent; I have used a Vango Force ten for over 20 years, and mine
    is about finished, but the new price is near £300! I have a nylon dome job,
    which is OK in summer but I will have to think very hard about stumping up
    the money for a new Force Ten.

    I guess walking/climbing has really got the "designer label" bug.

    All the best

    Rik

  2. In message <[email hidden]>, Richard Baker
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Hi Andy

    I read your post in the walking forum and agree with you, some gear is so
    exspensive I would be afraid to use it.

    And we have all read your response too! Slight case of the reply
    address slipping into the subject line, I think.

    Quoted message said:


    Its like a tent; I have used a Vango Force ten for over 20 years, and mine
    is about finished, but the new price is near £300! I have a nylon dome job,
    which is OK in summer but I will have to think very hard about stumping up
    the money for a new Force Ten.

    But there's a serious point to my reply. I've just stumped up such a
    price for a tent, but I had reasons for spending that money. I wanted a
    very lightweight tent that would cope with high altitude use in bad
    weather with no retreat available. So I had to pay for the fabric that
    would meet both these requirements: and with it came the costs of
    greater attention to stitching and seaming and the problems of low
    volume sales. Was it worth spending all that money? Well, I don't
    know. I'm very pleased with it and followed the advice of those I trust
    - on this newsgroup as well as elsewhere - and those are not people who
    give much time to designer labels.

    If your needs are similar then spend the money, but if you camp from a
    base camp site, possibly with your car only a few yards away, then such
    a tent is a waste of money. The weight is of no importance if you are
    not carrying it on your back up a mountain and the robustness in storms
    is similarly of less importance - if it falls down you can retreat to
    the car with relatively little discomfort.

    Quoted message said:


    I guess walking/climbing has really got the "designer label" bug.

    I used to think this, but actually I think as a hobby it's going the
    other way, certainly amongst the more hooked. In times past it was not
    designer labels per se that were important, but there were long lists of
    rules and regs about what equipment to use. Boots were a must and had
    to be a single piece of leather with a vibram sole. Nowt else would do
    and those infringing this rule were to be shunned by all 'proper'
    walkers. Rucksacks had to have an external frame and so on. These
    rules have softened: insisting on their essential nature in the face of
    the new breed of fell runners wearing practically nothing began to look
    rather silly. Anything goes nowadays. [I still use boots made from a
    single piece of leather with a vibram sole...]

    --
    Michael Farthing
    Aardvark Ltd

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