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  1. I'm 63, and after too many decades driving a desk, trying to improve
    my general fitness. I was pleased to discover that despite being told
    by lots of folk that old men find it very hard to gain strength, that
    I can gain strength very rapidly if I try, e.g. by working a muscle to
    failure twice a day for a few days, then resting for a few. For
    example, in a few months I was able to progress from only being able to
    twitch ineffectually while hanging on a pullup bar to being able to do
    eight pullups, which was very encouraging.

    The problem is that I then run into what I suspect is either a tendon
    or a fascia problem -- I start getting persistent pains around the
    muscle attachment points and tendon "hinges", as in golf or tennis
    elbow, or carpal tunnel syndrome, and these require at least a few
    months of rest to recover from. For example my pullup progress seems
    to have been too much for elbows and wrists to take, and I had to stop
    for a few months. After a few months they still hurt, although much
    less, and seem to be capable of very brief heavy use.

    My naive suspicion is that over the years my muscles and tendons and
    joints all settled down (i.e atrophied) to the point where they all
    matched the not very demanding use I gave them. Now, perhaps as a
    result of age, I can grow strength in muscles much more quickly than I
    can in tendons, joints, etc.. If so, what I need is a training regime,
    and maybe a diet, which will build up the tendons and joints without
    overstraining them. If so, the interesting question is whether I need
    to hold back to the point of no tendon or joint pain, or whether, like
    muscles, being pushed a little into pain is what gets them growing.

    Am I on the right lines here?

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

  2. On 16 Sep 2005 08:10:05 GMT, Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]>
    wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm 63, and after too many decades driving a desk, trying to improve
    my general fitness. I was pleased to discover that despite being told
    by lots of folk that old men find it very hard to gain strength, that
    I can gain strength very rapidly if I try, e.g. by working a muscle to
    failure twice a day for a few days, then resting for a few. For
    example, in a few months I was able to progress from only being able to
    twitch ineffectually while hanging on a pullup bar to being able to do
    eight pullups, which was very encouraging.

    The problem is that I then run into what I suspect is either a tendon
    or a fascia problem -- I start getting persistent pains around the
    muscle attachment points and tendon "hinges", as in golf or tennis
    elbow, or carpal tunnel syndrome, and these require at least a few
    months of rest to recover from. For example my pullup progress seems
    to have been too much for elbows and wrists to take, and I had to stop
    for a few months. After a few months they still hurt, although much
    less, and seem to be capable of very brief heavy use.

    My naive suspicion is that over the years my muscles and tendons and
    joints all settled down (i.e atrophied) to the point where they all
    matched the not very demanding use I gave them. Now, perhaps as a
    result of age, I can grow strength in muscles much more quickly than I
    can in tendons, joints, etc.. If so, what I need is a training regime,
    and maybe a diet, which will build up the tendons and joints without
    overstraining them. If so, the interesting question is whether I need
    to hold back to the point of no tendon or joint pain, or whether, like
    muscles, being pushed a little into pain is what gets them growing.

    Am I on the right lines here?

    Muscle will always increase in strength quicker than tendons due to
    blood/nutrient flow. There is more blood flow in muscle tissue and
    less in tendon. This has nothing to do with age and tendon pain is
    common among all beginners regardless of age.

    I would continue to train using lighter weights or, in the case of
    pull ups, perhaps try assisted pull ups or just do fewer reps without
    going to failure. This will help the tendons increase in strength
    without putting undue stress on them. Oh, and, being "pushed a little
    into pain" is not what gets tendons or muscles growing.

  3. Chris Malcolm said:

    I'm 63, and after too many decades driving a desk, trying to improve
    my general fitness. I was pleased to discover that despite being told
    by lots of folk that old men find it very hard to gain strength, that
    I can gain strength very rapidly if I try, e.g. by working a muscle to
    failure twice a day for a few days, then resting for a few. ..

    Quoted message said:

    The problem is that I then run into what I suspect is either a tendon
    or a fascia problem -- I start getting persistent pains around the
    muscle attachment points and tendon "hinges", as in golf or tennis
    elbow, or carpal tunnel syndrome, and these require at least a few
    months of rest to recover from.

    Quoted message said:

    My naive suspicion is that over the years my muscles and tendons and
    joints all settled down (i.e atrophied) to the point where they all
    matched the not very demanding use I gave them. Now, perhaps as a
    result of age, I can grow strength in muscles much more quickly than I
    can in tendons, joints, etc.. If so, what I need is a training regime,
    and maybe a diet, which will build up the tendons and joints without
    overstraining them.

    Joints and connective tissues strengthen at a slower rate than muscles.
    This is true at any age.

    The progress you make is wasted is you get hurt and have to take time
    off for injuries. Quit working to failure all the time and don't work
    your muscle groups so often. Use a more regular schedule like a
    full body workout 3 days a week or a split routine 4 days a week.

  4. "Chris Malcolm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm 63, and after too many decades driving a desk, trying to improve
    my general fitness.

    -snip-

    Quoted message said:

    the interesting question is whether I need
    to hold back to the point of no tendon or joint pain, or whether, like
    muscles, being pushed a little into pain is what gets them growing.

    Am I on the right lines here?

    Yes, I believe you are. I'm 50 with a bad back, if that matters to you.

    There are things you can do that specifically target tendon strength and
    joint health. The kettlebell swing is a move I do literally every day
    and has been the best single thing I've ever found to strength
    connective tissue. The ballistic nature of the movement provides the
    type of short load that some research says strengthens connective tissue
    better than plain lifting. See http://www.kbnj.com/rkc.htm for more
    about kettlebells, or the link below.

    Joint health movements have been practiced in many cultures for a long
    time. Typically they involve trying to achieve the fullest range of
    motion possible with little or no resistance and for high repetitions.
    See http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm for a Russian perspective, and see other
    things on the site this links to for Qigong exercises that are also very
    good for the joints.

    I start each day, at least when time allows, with a combination of
    Qigong and Russian-inspired joint health movements, followed by lifting,
    and end with flexibility work.

    Best of luck to you.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

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