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  1. Hi.
    I've read several times that if you want to burn fat, you need to do slower
    lower aerobic workouts. I've also heard, an equal number of times, that
    this is rubbish, and callories in vs callories out, is the same equation
    whichever way you look at it.

    What's the story here? Is it better to, aerobically speaking, workout at a
    lower level for longer, in order to burn fat? And, if so, what kind of
    level is this? I've been on the C2 rower before, and gone too hard, so hard
    that I've ended up being sick. I've also trundled up and down the slide for
    half an hour, getting gently out of breath and hardly breaking sweat. In
    terms of fat burning, which is the right end of the scale, and does it
    matter?

    Thanks.

  2. "The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Hi.
    I've read several times that if you want to burn fat, you need to do
    slower lower aerobic workouts. I've also heard, an equal number of times,
    that this is rubbish, and callories in vs callories out, is the same
    equation whichever way you look at it.

    What's the story here? Is it better to, aerobically speaking, workout at
    a lower level for longer, in order to burn fat? And, if so, what kind of
    level is this? I've been on the C2 rower before, and gone too hard, so
    hard that I've ended up being sick. I've also trundled up and down the
    slide for half an hour, getting gently out of breath and hardly breaking
    sweat. In terms of fat burning, which is the right end of the scale, and
    does it matter?

    Thanks.


    Calorie economics. Calorie deficit, with a combined intense weight training
    for lean tissue salvage and sustained efforts to push the deficit, along
    with the other side benefits.

  3. "The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Hi.
    I've read several times that if you want to burn fat, you need to do
    slower lower aerobic workouts. I've also heard, an equal number of
    times, that this is rubbish, and callories in vs callories out, is the
    same equation whichever way you look at it.

    What's the story here? Is it better to, aerobically speaking, workout
    at a lower level for longer, in order to burn fat? And, if so, what
    kind of level is this? I've been on the C2 rower before, and gone too
    hard, so hard that I've ended up being sick. I've also trundled up and
    down the slide for half an hour, getting gently out of breath and hardly
    breaking sweat. In terms of fat burning, which is the right end of the
    scale, and does it matter?

    Thanks.

    It's a misconception based on an actual quirk of physiology.

    When you exercise intensely, you draw on energy stores within your muscles,
    not on fat stores. If you exercise more slowly, and for long enough, your
    body will be able to fuel your exercise from fat stores. That's where the
    story comes from.

    But if you exercise slowly, even though a greater percentage of the energy
    comes from fat stores, you're burning calories at such a slow rate that you
    burn less fat per minute than if you exercised more intensely. Furthermore,
    once you've done your intense exercise, your body still needs fuel to get
    through the rest of the day. Unless you go eat a piece of cheesecake, that
    energy will come largely from fat stores. That's why, at the end of the day,
    calories in/calories out is all that matters for most of us.

    Hugh

    --
    Run like hell and let the clowns deal with the bull.

  4. Hugh Beyer said:

    "The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Hi.
    I've read several times that if you want to burn fat, you need to do
    slower lower aerobic workouts. I've also heard, an equal number of
    times, that this is rubbish, and callories in vs callories out, is the
    same equation whichever way you look at it.

    What's the story here? Is it better to, aerobically speaking, workout
    at a lower level for longer, in order to burn fat? And, if so, what
    kind of level is this? I've been on the C2 rower before, and gone too
    hard, so hard that I've ended up being sick. I've also trundled up and
    down the slide for half an hour, getting gently out of breath and hardly
    breaking sweat. In terms of fat burning, which is the right end of the
    scale, and does it matter?

    It's a misconception based on an actual quirk of physiology.

    When you exercise intensely, you draw on energy stores within your muscles,
    not on fat stores. If you exercise more slowly, and for long enough, your
    body will be able to fuel your exercise from fat stores. That's where the
    story comes from.

    But if you exercise slowly, even though a greater percentage of the energy
    comes from fat stores, you're burning calories at such a slow rate that you
    burn less fat per minute than if you exercised more intensely. Furthermore,
    once you've done your intense exercise, your body still needs fuel to get
    through the rest of the day. Unless you go eat a piece of cheesecake, that
    energy will come largely from fat stores. That's why, at the end of the day,
    calories in/calories out is all that matters for most of us.

    I've gotten a new perspective on this lately. I'm training for a
    triathlon and the training routines put a lot of stock in heart rate for
    various types of workouts, so I bought a heart rate monitor. I've
    discovered that I can work out MUCH longer if I pay attention to keeping
    my heart rate in the target zone, i.e., if I slow down to an "aerobic"
    rate I can jog slow for 40 minutes versus running till I puke in 20 minutes.

    What this has translated to in real life terms is that I'm exercising
    longer by being less intense. I'm also less scared of running since no
    puking will be required.

    I'm also down a bunch more pounds... but that could happen with any
    major change in training routine. (I barely dare say this here, but I
    haven't been in the weight room in about two weeks. I've been doing a
    quick nautilus workout twice a week and then doing five or six workouts
    a week of some combination swimming, running and/or cycling. Yes, I'm
    up to 8 workouts a week... fat loss doesn't seem like an unlikely result.)

    The moral of my story is get a Heart Rate Monitor (about $50) and
    work-out in the target zone (not too light, not too heavy) and reap
    benefits.

    Delenn

  5. Delenn said:
    Hugh Beyer said:

    "The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Hi.
    I've read several times that if you want to burn fat, you need to


    do

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    slower lower aerobic workouts. I've also heard, an equal number of
    times, that this is rubbish, and callories in vs callories out, is


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    same equation whichever way you look at it.

    What's the story here? Is it better to, aerobically speaking,


    workout

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    at a lower level for longer, in order to burn fat? And, if so,


    what

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    kind of level is this? I've been on the C2 rower before, and gone


    too

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    hard, so hard that I've ended up being sick. I've also trundled up


    and

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    down the slide for half an hour, getting gently out of breath and


    hardly

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    breaking sweat. In terms of fat burning, which is the right end of


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    scale, and does it matter?

    It's a misconception based on an actual quirk of physiology.

    When you exercise intensely, you draw on energy stores within your


    muscles,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not on fat stores. If you exercise more slowly, and for long


    enough, your

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    body will be able to fuel your exercise from fat stores. That's


    where the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    story comes from.

    But if you exercise slowly, even though a greater percentage of the


    energy

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    comes from fat stores, you're burning calories at such a slow rate


    that you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    burn less fat per minute than if you exercised more intensely.


    Furthermore,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    once you've done your intense exercise, your body still needs fuel


    to get

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    through the rest of the day. Unless you go eat a piece of


    cheesecake, that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    energy will come largely from fat stores. That's why, at the end of


    the day,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    calories in/calories out is all that matters for most of us.

    I've gotten a new perspective on this lately. I'm training for a
    triathlon and the training routines put a lot of stock in heart rate


    for

    Quoted message said:

    various types of workouts, so I bought a heart rate monitor. I've
    discovered that I can work out MUCH longer if I pay attention to


    keeping

    Quoted message said:

    my heart rate in the target zone, i.e., if I slow down to an


    "aerobic"

    Quoted message said:

    rate I can jog slow for 40 minutes versus running till I puke in 20


    minutes.

    Quoted message said:


    What this has translated to in real life terms is that I'm exercising

    Quoted message said:

    longer by being less intense. I'm also less scared of running since


    no

    Quoted message said:

    puking will be required.

    I'm also down a bunch more pounds... but that could happen with any
    major change in training routine. (I barely dare say this here, but


    I

    Quoted message said:

    haven't been in the weight room in about two weeks. I've been doing


    a

    Quoted message said:

    quick nautilus workout twice a week and then doing five or six


    workouts

    Quoted message said:

    a week of some combination swimming, running and/or cycling. Yes,


    I'm

    Quoted message said:

    up to 8 workouts a week... fat loss doesn't seem like an unlikely


    result.)

    Quoted message said:


    The moral of my story is get a Heart Rate Monitor (about $50) and
    work-out in the target zone (not too light, not too heavy) and reap
    benefits.

    Delenn

    I agree completely, if running distance (and training endurance) is
    your objective. Several years ago when I was running, I had a similar
    breakthrough in my training after using a heart rate monitor.

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