Advice on oil

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Bobo Bonobo(R) said:

On Aug 28, 8:21 am, Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]>

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I'd use canola. Not everyone has your palate. (Canola has distinctive
flavor? Huh.)

I expected that answer from lots of folks, and so far it's what I'm
getting 🙂

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--Bryan

OK. You can detect a flavor? Are you a "supertaster?" I don't notice
oil flavors except for olive oil (not the extra virgin stuff).
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - Fair baking

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:07:11 -0500, zxcvbob <[email hidden]>

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> OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

Self appointed, none the less.......

Bobo Bonobo® said:

Here's my problem. I need to figure out what oil to use for quantity
preparation of pancakes and French toast. All I keep around is peanut
and EVOO. The OO is obviously not right. The peanut oil cannot be
used because it's for my son's school's PTO event, and peanut
allergies, you know.

What neutral oil should I use?

Use clarified butter instead. Failing that, use sunflower or corn oil.

Victor

Bobo Bonobo? said:

zxcvbob said:

Sheldon said:

zxcvbob wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo wrote:
>> OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?
>> Here's my problem. I need to figure out what oil to use for quantity
>> preparation of pancakes and French toast. All I keep around is peanut
>> and EVOO. The OO is obviously not right. The peanut oil cannot be
>> used because it's for my son's school's PTO event, and peanut
>> allergies, you know.
>> What neutral oil should I use?
>> I don't think that canola is neutral, and soybean is downright nasty.
>> Corn is not neutral, but is inoffensive tasting.
>> Safflower is unavailable, for all practical purposes.
>> So, is it corn oil?
>> --Bryan
> First, peanut oil is not an allergen unless maybe it is "cold pressed"
> peanut oil. Refined peanut oil is not a problem. However, it is
> expensive, plus you'll never convince some of the hysterical mothers
> that peanut oil is safe, so you made the right choice.

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> How about sunflower oil?

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Only if you pay.

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Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

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???

The [censored] thinks he's being cute about me being too cheap to use
sunflower, even though I clearly posted that it was not MY money
being spent.

No one believes that fercocktah fairy tale for a NY second... it's a
couple three bucks oil for some friggin' pancake breakfast, not nearly
enough to change out the crankcase on the QEll

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Sheldon likes to show folks that he can afford to keep a large area of
mown grass for his tractoring pleasure.

Jeeze, you're gonna have a coronary from envy. My mowing has nothing
to do with "afford", it costs more to go out to a movie and buy
popcorn... just that everyone entertains themself differently... you
probably throw more money away on lottery tickets and titty bars than
I spend mowing. Anyways, that's only a piddly little five acre
field... it's a good thing I don't post pictures of my *other*
property... 90+ acres worth of mowing on the most gorgeous fields
within 100 miles... then you'd have a paralyzing stroke! Don't you
realize it's not the mowing, I have to pay all the expenses... so I
can't afford the movies and titty bars and the lottery tickets... ask
sqwertz, I'm lucky to afford rotgut vodka.

Most normal folks find some of the stuff I do interesting, but not the
jealous [censored]... and you don't even know what you're jealous of...
your poo pooing what someone else does is just knee jerk infantile
expression because you lead a boring empty loser life... if you led a
fulfilling life mine would not occur to you in the negative way you
perceive.

No one lives a perfect life, no one would be envious of the negative
experiences I've endured... I choose not to post that here simply
because I never view myself as a pitiful person and that there are so
many just like you who would revel in other's misfortune, thinking
somehow that elevates themselves to a higher plateau.

I think people's life experiences balance out, but with how I do my
accounting I think I have a lot more on the plus side of the ledger.
No matter what chapter of life you're living it would be wise to look
in your own pot instead of mine... don't wish for what you don't want
to get. Those who take issue with what I post about my life make it
very apparent that they don't have a pot.

Sheldon

Sheldon said:

[snip]

You're funny.

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Sheldon

--Bryan

Ward Abbott said:

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:07:11 -0500, zxcvbob <[email hidden]>

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>> OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

Self appointed, none the less.......

No, not really. People called me that for my disdain for Velveeta,
canned freedom fried onions, etc.

--Bryan

Karen AKA Kajikit said:

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:49:21 -0700, Bobo Bonobo <[email hidden]>

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OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

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Here's my problem. I need to figure out what oil to use for quantity
preparation of pancakes and French toast. All I keep around is peanut
and EVOO. The OO is obviously not right. The peanut oil cannot be
used because it's for my son's school's PTO event, and peanut
allergies, you know.

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What neutral oil should I use?

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I don't think that canola is neutral, and soybean is downright nasty.

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Corn is not neutral, but is inoffensive tasting.

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Safflower is unavailable, for all practical purposes.

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So, is it corn oil?

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--Bryan

You can use the olive oil just fine if you want... the taste really
doesn't come through into the finished product.

Very true. And there are many types of olive oil, many impart no
flavor whatsoever and are very inexpensive, like under $4/liter. It
would be very dumb to use EVOO estate grade for cooking, especially
for flapjacks.... would be tantamount to choosing top shelf scotch for
a sour.

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OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

Here's my problem. I need to figure out what oil to use for quantity
preparation of pancakes and French toast. All I keep around is peanut
and EVOO. The OO is obviously not right. The peanut oil cannot be
used because it's for my son's school's PTO event, and peanut
allergies, you know.

What neutral oil should I use?

I don't think that canola is neutral, and soybean is downright nasty.

Corn is not neutral, but is inoffensive tasting.

Safflower is unavailable, for all practical purposes.

So, is it corn oil?

--Bryan

Butter

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OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

Here's my problem. I need to figure out what oil to use for quantity
preparation of pancakes and French toast. All I keep around is peanut
and EVOO. The OO is obviously not right. The peanut oil cannot be
used because it's for my son's school's PTO event, and peanut
allergies, you know.

What neutral oil should I use?

I don't think that canola is neutral, and soybean is downright nasty.

Corn is not neutral, but is inoffensive tasting.

Safflower is unavailable, for all practical purposes.

So, is it corn oil?

Why use oil for pancakes and french toast? You want flavor. Use butter.

Paul

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Quoted message said:

OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

Here's my problem. I need to figure out what oil to use for quantity
preparation of pancakes and French toast. All I keep around is peanut
and EVOO. The OO is obviously not right. The peanut oil cannot be
used because it's for my son's school's PTO event, and peanut
allergies, you know.

What neutral oil should I use?

I don't think that canola is neutral, and soybean is downright nasty.

Corn is not neutral, but is inoffensive tasting.

Safflower is unavailable, for all practical purposes.

So, is it corn oil?

I would use corn.

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First, peanut oil is not an allergen unless maybe it is "cold pressed"
peanut oil. Refined peanut oil is not a problem. However, it is
expensive, plus you'll never convince some of the hysterical mothers that
peanut oil is safe, so you made the right choice.

Do you have a cite for that? I've never heard this before. Daughter has
allergies to both soy and peanut but she seems to be able to have soybean
oil with no problems. Am not going to try the peanut oil unless I see
something to prove otherwise.

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How about sunflower oil?

I would use "vegetable oil" (soybean), and just make sure the bottle was
fresh.

Ick.

On Aug 28, 7:07 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

Quoted message said:

Here's my problem. I need to figure out what oil to use for quantity
preparation of pancakes and French toast. All I keep around is peanut
and EVOO. The OO is obviously not right. The peanut oil cannot be
used because it's for my son's school's PTO event, and peanut
allergies, you know.

Quoted message said:

What neutral oil should I use?

Quoted message said:

I don't think that canola is neutral, and soybean is downright nasty.

Quoted message said:

Corn is not neutral, but is inoffensive tasting.

Quoted message said:

Safflower is unavailable, for all practical purposes.

Quoted message said:

So, is it corn oil?

Why use oil for pancakes and french toast? You want flavor. Use butter.

I was never intending to put the oil IN the batter, but we'll be using
the giant griddle in a grade school cafeteria kitchen. We'll need oil
ON the surface. There will be plenty and more butterfat in the batter
from using 40% cream.

Sheldon, of course, just assumed I was putting the oil in the batter.

His assholedness is capricious, almost random.

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Paul

--Bryan

Julie Bove said:

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First, peanut oil is not an allergen unless maybe it is "cold
pressed" peanut oil. Refined peanut oil is not a problem.
However, it is expensive, plus you'll never convince some of the
hysterical mothers that peanut oil is safe, so you made the right
choice.

Do you have a cite for that? I've never heard this before. Daughter
has allergies to both soy and peanut but she seems to be able to have
soybean oil with no problems. Am not going to try the peanut oil
unless I see something to prove otherwise.

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How about sunflower oil?

I'm having trouble finding the original source where I read it a couple
of years ago. Some sort of allergy research institute. But here's a
few recent ones:

http://www.ific.org/publications/qa/allergyqa.cfm
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~aair/news.htm#PEANUT_OIL
http://www.anaphylaxis.org.uk/information/peanut_oil.html

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I would use "vegetable oil" (soybean), and just make sure the
bottle was fresh.

Ick.

Oh grow up. How much do you think the taste (or lack thereof) of the
oil affects the taste of pancakes or waffles? There's not all that much
oil. Just make sure it's not the slightest bit rancid.

Best regards,
Bob

zxcvbob said:

Julie Bove said:

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Quoted message said:

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First, peanut oil is not an allergen unless maybe it is "cold
pressed" peanut oil. Refined peanut oil is not a problem.
However, it is expensive, plus you'll never convince some of the
hysterical mothers that peanut oil is safe, so you made the right
choice.

Quoted message said:

Do you have a cite for that? I've never heard this before. Daughter
has allergies to both soy and peanut but she seems to be able to have
soybean oil with no problems. Am not going to try the peanut oil
unless I see something to prove otherwise.

Quoted message said:

How about sunflower oil?

I'm having trouble finding the original source where I read it a couple
of years ago. Some sort of allergy research institute. But here's a
few recent ones:

http://www.ific.org/publications/qa/allergyqa.cfmhttp://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~aair/news.htm#PEANUT_OILhttp://www.anaphylaxis.org.uk/information/peanut_oil.html

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I would use "vegetable oil" (soybean), and just make sure the
bottle was fresh.

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Ick.

Oh grow up. How much do you think the taste (or lack thereof) of the
oil affects the taste of pancakes or waffles? There's not all that much
oil. Just make sure it's not the slightest bit rancid.

Those of you who do not mind soybean oil just don't get that there are
a significant number of us who thing it tastes downright bad. We're
not pretending or anything.

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Best regards,
Bob

--Bryan

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On Aug 28, 7:07 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <[email hidden]>

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OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

Quoted message said:

Here's my problem. I need to figure out what oil to use for quantity
preparation of pancakes and French toast. All I keep around is peanut
and EVOO. The OO is obviously not right. The peanut oil cannot be
used because it's for my son's school's PTO event, and peanut
allergies, you know.

Quoted message said:

What neutral oil should I use?

Quoted message said:

I don't think that canola is neutral, and soybean is downright nasty.

Quoted message said:

Corn is not neutral, but is inoffensive tasting.

Quoted message said:

Safflower is unavailable, for all practical purposes.

Quoted message said:

So, is it corn oil?

Why use oil for pancakes and french toast? You want flavor. Use butter.

I was never intending to put the oil IN the batter, but we'll be using
the giant griddle in a grade school cafeteria kitchen. We'll need oil
ON the surface. There will be plenty and more butterfat in the batter
from using 40% cream.

Sheldon, of course, just assumed I was putting the oil in the batter.

His assholedness is capricious, almost random.

Sheldon clearly has a mental illness. I would bet money he is suffering
from Tourette's Syndrome. Somebody who knew him some years ago said he was
on medications for bipolar. Take it with a grain of salt. But his mental
state is quite clearly very dubious even to a layman.

Anyway,

I use Crisco for the grill. It works fabulously. Just take several layers
of paper towels or a brown paper bag, scoop up some Crisco and grease the
grill with it. Not too much, you are not deep drying the pancakes. Just a
nice thin layer to prevent sticking. If you are talking a really large
grill, take a 2 quart pot, dump some Crisco into it, set it on the grill to
melt. Then use a grill mop to grease the surface. When I was a short order
cook, we used butter flavored Crisco for pancakes, eggs, french toast,
omelets and hash browns. Crisco is very neutral in flavor and ideal for
pancakes and french toast.

Paul

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OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

Self appointed, none the less.

Paul M. Cook said:

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On Aug 28, 7:07 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <[email hidden]>

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OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

Quoted message said:

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Here's my problem. I need to figure out what oil to use for quantity
preparation of pancakes and French toast. All I keep around is peanut
and EVOO. The OO is obviously not right. The peanut oil cannot be
used because it's for my son's school's PTO event, and peanut
allergies, you know.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What neutral oil should I use?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't think that canola is neutral, and soybean is downright nasty.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Corn is not neutral, but is inoffensive tasting.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Safflower is unavailable, for all practical purposes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, is it corn oil?

Quoted message said:

Why use oil for pancakes and french toast? You want flavor. Use butter.

I was never intending to put the oil IN the batter, but we'll be using
the giant griddle in a grade school cafeteria kitchen. We'll need oil
ON the surface. There will be plenty and more butterfat in the batter
from using 40% cream.

Sheldon, of course, just assumed I was putting the oil in the batter.

His assholedness is capricious, almost random.

Sheldon clearly has a mental illness. I would bet money he is suffering
from Tourette's Syndrome. Somebody who knew him some years ago said he was
on medications for bipolar. Take it with a grain of salt. But his mental
state is quite clearly very dubious even to a layman.

Anyway,

I use Crisco for the grill. It works fabulously. Just take several layers
of paper towels or a brown paper bag, scoop up some Crisco and grease the
grill with it. Not too much, you are not deep drying the pancakes. Justa
nice thin layer to prevent sticking. If you are talking a really large
grill, take a 2 quart pot, dump some Crisco into it, set it on the grill to
melt. Then use a grill mop to grease the surface. When I was a short order
cook, we used butter flavored Crisco for pancakes, eggs, french toast,
omelets and hash browns. Crisco is very neutral in flavor and ideal for
pancakes and french toast.

Hydrogenated shortening is dangerously unhealthy, and should be made
illegal, and has in some locales (NYC restaurants). His grade school
has lots of children of med school profs and med students. Even if I
didn't know better, they'd set me straight. GET ON THE PROGRAM, and
quit poisoning yourself and others.

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Paul

--Bryan

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I think people's life experiences balance out, but with how I do my
accounting I think I have a lot more on the plus side of the ledger.

Gawd Sheldon. You is human after all 😉

Michael

--
Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their
food, and tyrannize their teachers.
- Socrates

to email: dog3 at charter dot net

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OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Here's my problem. I need to figure out what oil to use for quantity
preparation of pancakes and French toast. All I keep around is peanut
and EVOO. The OO is obviously not right. The peanut oil cannot be
used because it's for my son's school's PTO event, and peanut
allergies, you know.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What neutral oil should I use?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't think that canola is neutral, and soybean is downright nasty.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Corn is not neutral, but is inoffensive tasting.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Safflower is unavailable, for all practical purposes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, is it corn oil?

Quoted message said:

Why use oil for pancakes and french toast? You want flavor. Use

butter.

Quoted message said:

I was never intending to put the oil IN the batter, but we'll be using
the giant griddle in a grade school cafeteria kitchen. We'll need oil
ON the surface. There will be plenty and more butterfat in the batter
from using 40% cream.

Sheldon, of course, just assumed I was putting the oil in the batter.

His assholedness is capricious, almost random.

Sheldon clearly has a mental illness. I would bet money he is suffering
from Tourette's Syndrome. Somebody who knew him some years ago said he

was

Quoted message said:

on medications for bipolar. Take it with a grain of salt. But his mental
state is quite clearly very dubious even to a layman.

Anyway,

I use Crisco for the grill. It works fabulously. Just take several

layers

Quoted message said:

of paper towels or a brown paper bag, scoop up some Crisco and grease the
grill with it. Not too much, you are not deep drying the pancakes. Just

a

Quoted message said:

nice thin layer to prevent sticking. If you are talking a really large
grill, take a 2 quart pot, dump some Crisco into it, set it on the grill

to

Quoted message said:

melt. Then use a grill mop to grease the surface. When I was a short

order

Quoted message said:

cook, we used butter flavored Crisco for pancakes, eggs, french toast,
omelets and hash browns. Crisco is very neutral in flavor and ideal for
pancakes and french toast.

Hydrogenated shortening is dangerously unhealthy, and should be made
illegal, and has in some locales (NYC restaurants). His grade school
has lots of children of med school profs and med students. Even if I
didn't know better, they'd set me straight. GET ON THE PROGRAM, and
quit poisoning yourself and others.

I can assure you that nobody I ever cooked pancakes for died due to my
negligence. Even Alton Brown cooks with Crisco. Good enough for him, good
enough for you.

Paul

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OMG! The food snob is asking for advice?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Here's my problem. I need to figure out what oil to use for quantity
preparation of pancakes and French toast. All I keep around is peanut
and EVOO. The OO is obviously not right. The peanut oil cannot be
used because it's for my son's school's PTO event, and peanut
allergies, you know.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What neutral oil should I use?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't think that canola is neutral, and soybean is downright nasty.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Corn is not neutral, but is inoffensive tasting.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Safflower is unavailable, for all practical purposes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, is it corn oil?

Quoted message said:

Why use oil for pancakes and french toast? You want flavor. Use

butter.

Quoted message said:

I was never intending to put the oil IN the batter, but we'll be using
the giant griddle in a grade school cafeteria kitchen. We'll need oil
ON the surface. There will be plenty and more butterfat in the batter
from using 40% cream.

Sheldon, of course, just assumed I was putting the oil in the batter.

His assholedness is capricious, almost random.

Sheldon clearly has a mental illness. I would bet money he is suffering
from Tourette's Syndrome. Somebody who knew him some years ago said he

was

Quoted message said:

on medications for bipolar. Take it with a grain of salt. But his mental
state is quite clearly very dubious even to a layman.

Anyway,

I use Crisco for the grill. It works fabulously. Just take several

layers

Quoted message said:

of paper towels or a brown paper bag, scoop up some Crisco and grease the
grill with it. Not too much, you are not deep drying the pancakes. Just

a

Quoted message said:

nice thin layer to prevent sticking. If you are talking a really large
grill, take a 2 quart pot, dump some Crisco into it, set it on the grill

to

Quoted message said:

melt. Then use a grill mop to grease the surface. When I was a short

order

Quoted message said:

cook, we used butter flavored Crisco for pancakes, eggs, french toast,
omelets and hash browns. Crisco is very neutral in flavor and ideal for
pancakes and french toast.

Hydrogenated shortening is dangerously unhealthy, and should be made
illegal, and has in some locales (NYC restaurants). His grade school
has lots of children of med school profs and med students. Even if I
didn't know better, they'd set me straight. GET ON THE PROGRAM, and
quit poisoning yourself and others.

Heh, I did a little Google search. Seems your oil woes are over.

http://www.crisco.com/about/shortening_0gramstransfat.asp

Paul