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  1. I have - as you may be fed up of hearing by now - an ancient
    Scott Sawtooth, a rigid MTB I got in 1988 with the very
    first generation of trigger shifters and eighteen (count
    them) of your Nipponese gears.

    I have recently acquired - as you may also be fed up of
    hearing - a Klien Mantra frame, with some bits left on it. I
    want to end up with a working bike based on the Mantra frame
    - without spending too much money, especially on
    transmission parts, because the long term objective is to
    fit a Rohloff (but the budget for that is likely to be a
    while coming).

    The back wheel off the Scott wasn't usable because being a
    six-speed the axle was too short. And the combined
    shifters/brake levers off the Scott weren't usable because
    they were canti levers and V brakes need more pull. So thus
    far I have been out and bought

    * a new rear wheel
    * a new cassette
    * new shifters
    * new gear levers
    * new cables

    With that lot I've assembled a bike to the extent that it's
    more or less ridable, and have discovered that

    * the rear deraileur (Deore XT) that came on the frame is so
    shot that it's not guiding the chain well - the jockey
    wheels are worn to very odd shapes
    * the chain rings are worn beyond use - there is the most
    apalling chain suck, particularly on the granny ring.

    So the next decision is what to do about these. The bottom
    bracket feels OK (although I haven't stripped it to check)
    and the crank set, which is an Icon four spoke job, seems OK
    too if a bit cosmetically worn. The Scott has Biopace rings
    but they're not in that great condition. I could swap them
    on but it would mean swapping the crankset as well which
    would almost certainly mean swapping the bottom bracket...
    and all this would mean the Scott had definitely reached the
    end of its days and still wouldn't have a very good setup on
    the Mantra. I think I'm pretty much going to have to go out
    and buy new rings :-(

    Then the deraileur. It's fundamentally a good one although
    like the rest of the bike it's had a hard life. My options
    seem to be

    (i) Replace the jockey wheels; or
    (ii) Swap the old 6 speed deraileur off the Scott onto the
    Mantra. This will only work if all Shimano deraileurs
    move the same amount for the same amount of cable pull
    - does anyone know if this will work? - or
    (iii) Go out and buy a new deraileur

    Or finally, the really radical option, instead of wasting
    money on all these parts to revive a deraileur drivetrain
    which is intended to be temporary anyway, go straight out
    and get an SRAM S7 or Shimano Nexus 8 hub as a poor man's
    substitute for a Rohloff (but then presumably I'll need to
    get the dropouts re-engineered as well which is not going to
    be cheap).

    At the moment it being the start of the sailing season funds
    are a little limited, so ideas about how to get this working
    without buying all new shiny things would be very welcome!

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke)
    jasmine.org.uk~simon

    I'm fed up with Life 1.0. I never liked it much and now
    it's getting me down. I think I'll upgrade to MSLife 97
    -- you know, the one that comes in a flash new box and
    within weeks you're crawling with bugs.

  2. Simon Brooke said:

    Then the deraileur. It's fundamentally a good one although
    like the rest of the bike it's had a hard life. My options
    seem to be

    (i) Replace the jockey wheels; or
    (ii) Swap the old 6 speed deraileur off the Scott onto the
    Mantra. This will only work if all Shimano deraileurs
    move the same amount for the same amount of cable
    pull

    I believe that's true for nearly all if not all Shimano rear
    derailleurs. Check Sheldon Brown's notes/posts (via website
    and Google Groups).

    Quoted message said:

    or (iii) Go out and buy a new deraileur

    At least it'll be all nice and fresh. A new low-end model
    will actually work fine, just won't be light or look nice.

    Quoted message said:

    Or finally, the really radical option, instead of wasting
    money on all these parts to revive a deraileur drivetrain
    which is intended to be temporary anyway, go straight out
    and get an SRAM S7 or Shimano Nexus 8 hub as a poor man's
    substitute for a Rohloff (but then presumably I'll need to
    get the dropouts re-engineered as well which is not going
    to be cheap).

    Depends how much you like hub gears.

    Nexus or similar hub could be used with vertical dropouts if
    a chain tensioning device (special thing or ordinary
    derailleur) is used. Altering frame spacing is not expensive
    if that's wrong and possible if frame is steel.

    ~PB

  3. Simon Brooke said:


    (i) Replace the jockey wheels; or

    Will make a difference and not too expensive.

    Quoted message said:

    (ii) Swap the old 6 speed deraileur off the Scott onto
    the Mantra. This will only work if all Shimano
    deraileurs move the same amount for the same amount
    of cable pull - does anyone know if this will work?
    - or

    Yes it will. Only Dura Ace 8 Speed were different. I
    have a 2003 9 speed XT rear mech in use with 1988 105
    6-speed levers. The levers were previously changing a
    1988 Deore Mech.

    Quoted message said:

    (iii) Go out and buy a new deraileur

    I got a slightly used Deore XT rear mech on eBay for
    less than £25.

    Quoted message said:


    At the moment it being the start of the sailing season
    funds are a little limited, so ideas about how to get this
    working without buying all new shiny things would be very
    welcome!

    The cheapest would be to fit you mech from the Scott,
    replace the cable though to give youself the best chance of
    getting it working well.

  4. In message <02pgl1-
    [email hidden]>, Simon Brooke
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Or finally, the really radical option, instead of wasting
    money on all these parts to revive a deraileur drivetrain
    which is intended to be temporary anyway, go straight out
    and get an SRAM S7 or Shimano Nexus 8 hub as a poor man's
    substitute for a Rohloff (but then presumably I'll need to
    get the dropouts re-engineered as well which is not going
    to be cheap).

    Nah, you can bodge it:-)

    I've got an old Diamond Back MTB frame (well cranks are the
    original as well.....) from about 1990. I've managed to run
    a Sachs 7 speed and now a Nexus in it for years. No great
    scope for adjusting the chain, and the dropout aren't quite
    deep enough esp. with the Nexus to take the tab washers
    properly, so I have on occasion managed to twist it round
    (though with a much lower gearing than intended up a very
    steep hill with the trailer.

    But it's worked fine for years, and of course need bugger
    all maintenance.
    --
    Chris French, Leeds

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