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  1. Allan Matthews said:
    George Shirley said:
    jmcquown said:

    OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

    >In article <[email hidden]>,
    >"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >

    Jill

    At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
    was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
    Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
    is still sold in Penna last I knew.
    Allan

    I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American, Canadian,
    and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi Aramco. full
    instructions on building stills and the warehouse part numbers of all
    the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold in Louisiana and
    Texas to my knowledge.

    George

  2. My math skills aren't what they used to be, but there was a post a few
    miles up that said they made punch with grain alcohol that was diluted to a
    strength of "only 20%".

    That may be so, but unless you are doing shots of punch, and not drinking
    16 oz cups of the stuff, it is just as deadly. Overproof liquor is best
    left to the pros - too many people can get in trouble. Plus, before the
    company I worked for lost a HUGE lawsuit involving flaming rum and a kid
    with a beard, many bars carried the stuff. When there is home use, the
    overproof stuff can be explosive, not just flammable. If you try to ignite
    a bottle (which makes a nifty blue flame with 80 proof stuff) the 190 proof
    will explode.

    Second - Stroh Rum, from Austria, is 80% alcohol, that is 160 proof. Nasty
    stuff too. (though they also make 60% and 40%).

    (not trying to be a kill-joy about this. It's just after bartending for 20
    years, I have seen a LOT of really stupid people with alcohol. Too many
    times I've called 911 for either the cops or an ambulance. Moreover, in my
    state of Illinois, the liquor liability for bars and home use is
    unbelievable)

  3. pgluth1 said:


    Second - Stroh Rum, from Austria, is 80% alcohol, that is 160 proof. Nasty
    stuff too. (though they also make 60% and 40%).

    No wonder I didn't like the stuff. Yuk.

    Quoted message said:


    (not trying to be a kill-joy about this. It's just after bartending for 20
    years, I have seen a LOT of really stupid people with alcohol. Too many
    times I've called 911 for either the cops or an ambulance. Moreover, in my
    state of Illinois, the liquor liability for bars and home use is
    unbelievable)


    No, not a kill-joy. Just sensible. Years ago we had to rush a friend to
    hospital - it was his 21st birthday and at the party some of his
    "friends" mixed him a "cocktail" of all sorts of alcoholic drinks and
    "encouraged" him to down it. He collapsed - and when we got him to
    hospital they had to pump his stomach... the medic gave these so-called
    friends a real telling-off and said they might have killed him...

    --
    Cheers
    Cathy(xyz)

  4. "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Omelet->
    The 190 proof is more than strong enough for spiking!

    Quoted message said:


    Back when I was in College, the Fencing club parties would use Everclear
    190 for "Trashcan punch".

    4 liters Ginger Ale
    2 quarts Rainbow Sherbet
    1 liter Everclear 190

    Could not even taste the alcohol...
    You'd be on your A** before you knew it if you were not careful!

    Was on the receiving end of one of those deadly punches when in university.
    Two glasses in my 85 lb/4'10" body left me sick for 2 days. What a time for
    my parents to make a surprise visit!!

    Gabby

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Gabby said:

    "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Omelet->
    The 190 proof is more than strong enough for spiking!

    Quoted message said:


    Back when I was in College, the Fencing club parties would use Everclear
    190 for "Trashcan punch".

    4 liters Ginger Ale
    2 quarts Rainbow Sherbet
    1 liter Everclear 190

    Could not even taste the alcohol...
    You'd be on your A** before you knew it if you were not careful!

    Was on the receiving end of one of those deadly punches when in university.
    Two glasses in my 85 lb/4'10" body left me sick for 2 days. What a time for
    my parents to make a surprise visit!!

    Gabby

    Actually, it was 4 x 2 liter bottles, so 8 liters. My bad...

    Not that that makes much difference. ;-)

    At least WE got warned!
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  6. George Shirley said:
    Allan Matthews said:

    At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
    was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
    Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
    is still sold in Penna last I knew.
    Allan

    I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American, Canadian,
    and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi Aramco. full
    instructions on building stills and the warehouse part numbers of all
    the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold in Louisiana and
    Texas to my knowledge.

    Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't put
    it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I use it
    to make extracts.

    Pastorio

  7. Bob (this one) said:
    George Shirley said:
    Allan Matthews said:

    At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
    was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
    Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
    is still sold in Penna last I knew.
    Allan

    I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American, Canadian,
    and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi Aramco. full
    instructions on building stills and the warehouse part numbers of all
    the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold in Louisiana
    and Texas to my knowledge.

    Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't put
    it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I use it
    to make extracts.

    Pastorio

    Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
    nothing sacred?

    Bob

  8. zxcvbob said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    George Shirley said:

    Allan Matthews wrote:

    > At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
    > was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
    > Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
    > is still sold in Penna last I knew.
    > Allan

    I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American,
    Canadian, and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi
    Aramco. full instructions on building stills and the warehouse part
    numbers of all the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold
    in Louisiana and Texas to my knowledge.

    Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't
    put it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I
    use it to make extracts.

    Pastorio

    Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
    nothing sacred?

    Um, is this a trick question? I mean I don't want to get into religious
    discussions - that whole sacred thing. Or politics.

    That's why I don't want to think about Cheney being drunk (said he'd had
    "a beer"😉 while "hunting" those tame birds and lawyers. That might be a
    reason why the secret service didn't let anyone (like the investigating
    sheriff deputies) have access to him for 11 hours. Enough time to drink
    a lot of coffee and sober up to his normal unpleasant, grunting self.

    So no talk about religion or politics. A drunk, though, is free meat.

    Pastorio

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bob (this one) said:
    George Shirley said:
    Allan Matthews said:

    At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
    was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
    Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
    is still sold in Penna last I knew.
    Allan

    I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American, Canadian,
    and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi Aramco. full
    instructions on building stills and the warehouse part numbers of all
    the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold in Louisiana and
    Texas to my knowledge.

    Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't put
    it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I use it
    to make extracts.

    Pastorio

    Best thing in the world for extracts. :-)
    Chas made some dewberry liquor that way once.
    Extracted the dewberries until the liquid was deep purple, then sugared
    it well before diluting it with vodka and water.

    I've not gone looking for wild dewberries now since before my mom got
    too sick to pick them with me and after she died, I've just not been
    interested.

    I still have some pint jars of the Jelly she made tho'. Wonderful stuff!
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  10. Oh, Everclear stories!

    About 10 years ago, when I was living in Albuquerque, we decided to
    have an all-night party for the Balloon Fiesta. It's the biggest
    hot-air ballooning event in the world, and we lived about 2 miles from
    the launch site, so all the balloons (about 850 of them) would go right
    over our acre of backyard.

    Now, you had tyo get up before dawn to get there for the launches at 7
    AM, and we knew nobody would make it to our house for a launch-day
    brunch party. So we decided to start the party Friday night at 8 and go
    til Saturday morning at noon. Dinner and bruch prepared my moi.

    We knew a ton of people were coming and we didn't have a ton of money
    for party supplies, so we got a couple bottles of everclear. We soaked
    a bunch of cubed fruit in a bottle f it for, maybe 10 days or so. The
    other bottle was used in the punch. Then we floated the fruit in the
    punch.

    Guests arrived at 8. Guests were drunk by 8:30, after eating one piece
    of soaked fruit out of the punchbowl. Guests were passed out by 9. We
    had Everclear soaked fruit in the freezer for 6 months to come. Word
    got around - looking for a quick drunk? Just go to Jude's house and
    grab a piece of fruit!

    Ah, college.

    PS, about half the guests slept through the balloon launch. I. however,
    managed to get up, get brunch on the table, and have a blast watching
    the balloons. IIRC, we feasted on quiche, roast potatoes, cinnamon
    rolls, and fruit salad, although people were a tad scared of the fruit.
    I don't think many people were interested i the Bloody Marys and
    Mimosas, though.

  11. Bob (this one) said:
    zxcvbob said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    George Shirley wrote:

    > Allan Matthews wrote:
    >
    >> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
    >> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
    >> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
    >> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
    >> Allan
    >
    >
    > I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American,
    > Canadian, and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi
    > Aramco. full instructions on building stills and the warehouse part
    > numbers of all the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still
    > sold in Louisiana and Texas to my knowledge.

    Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't
    put it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I
    use it to make extracts.

    Pastorio

    Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
    nothing sacred?

    Um, is this a trick question? I mean I don't want to get into religious
    discussions - that whole sacred thing. Or politics.

    That's why I don't want to think about Cheney being drunk (said he'd had
    "a beer"😉 while "hunting" those tame birds and lawyers. That might be a
    reason why the secret service didn't let anyone (like the investigating
    sheriff deputies) have access to him for 11 hours. Enough time to drink
    a lot of coffee and sober up to his normal unpleasant, grunting self.

    So no talk about religion or politics. A drunk, though, is free meat.

    Pastorio

    He wasn't drunk! They just needed that time to get their story
    straight. (I actually believe that.) Of course, they sent away the
    only 2 people who could have verified that he wasn't intoxicated, and
    they [perhaps illegally] interfered with an investigation in doing so.
    And with Cheney's *two* prior DUI convictions, he really needed to be
    cleared by a real investigation and was just too arrogant to realize it.

    The blogs are picking up on this; comparing conflicting statements
    statements to more respected "real" news reports and pointing out how
    the story keeps changing. Eventually the national news will notice, and
    Cheney will be dead meat. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.

    Bob

  12. Bob (this one) said:
    zxcvbob said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    George Shirley wrote:

    > Allan Matthews wrote:
    >
    >> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
    >> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
    >> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
    >> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
    >> Allan
    >
    >
    > I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American,
    > Canadian, and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi
    > Aramco. full instructions on building stills and the warehouse part
    > numbers of all the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still
    > sold in Louisiana and Texas to my knowledge.

    Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't
    put it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I
    use it to make extracts.

    Pastorio

    Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
    nothing sacred?

    Um, is this a trick question? I mean I don't want to get into religious
    discussions - that whole sacred thing. Or politics.

    That's why I don't want to think about Cheney being drunk (said he'd had
    "a beer"😉 while "hunting" those tame birds and lawyers. That might be a
    reason why the secret service didn't let anyone (like the investigating
    sheriff deputies) have access to him for 11 hours. Enough time to drink
    a lot of coffee and sober up to his normal unpleasant, grunting self.

    So no talk about religion or politics. A drunk, though, is free meat.

    Pastorio


    I used to live down the road from the Armstrong Ranch and though I was
    never invited to hunt a friend was one of their guides and dog handlers.
    He swore up and down that the quail weren't tame. I hunted land adjacent
    to the ranch and we hunted wild quail so assume he was right. I can't
    speak for the VP's drinking habits but the Armstrongs had a reputation
    for not allowing their guests to drink too much and then tote a gun.

    George, defending Texas again

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    George Shirley said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    zxcvbob said:

    Bob (this one) wrote:

    > George Shirley wrote:
    >
    >> Allan Matthews wrote:
    >>
    >>> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
    >>> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
    >>> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
    >>> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
    >>> Allan
    >>
    >>
    >> I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American,
    >> Canadian, and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi
    >> Aramco. full instructions on building stills and the warehouse part
    >> numbers of all the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still
    >> sold in Louisiana and Texas to my knowledge.
    >
    >
    > Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't
    > put it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I
    > use it to make extracts.
    >
    > Pastorio

    Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
    nothing sacred?

    Um, is this a trick question? I mean I don't want to get into religious
    discussions - that whole sacred thing. Or politics.

    That's why I don't want to think about Cheney being drunk (said he'd had
    "a beer"😉 while "hunting" those tame birds and lawyers. That might be a
    reason why the secret service didn't let anyone (like the investigating
    sheriff deputies) have access to him for 11 hours. Enough time to drink
    a lot of coffee and sober up to his normal unpleasant, grunting self.

    So no talk about religion or politics. A drunk, though, is free meat.

    Pastorio


    I used to live down the road from the Armstrong Ranch and though I was
    never invited to hunt a friend was one of their guides and dog handlers.
    He swore up and down that the quail weren't tame. I hunted land adjacent
    to the ranch and we hunted wild quail so assume he was right. I can't
    speak for the VP's drinking habits but the Armstrongs had a reputation
    for not allowing their guests to drink too much and then tote a gun.

    George, defending Texas again

    It does not take alcohol to get a case of hunter fever... ;-)

    The bird flushed, he aimed and fired with OUT checking down range!
    Happened too fast. He may have been careless but stuff like this happens
    from time to time.

    It's only a big deal because he's the VP!

    They don't make major headline news out of every hunting accident that
    happens in the states.

    Sheesh! Give it a rest already!
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  14. Bob (this one) said:
    zxcvbob said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    George Shirley wrote:

    > Allan Matthews wrote:
    >
    >> At one time I had a copy of a booklet called "The Blue Flame" which
    >> was an instruction manual for making alcohol. It was written by
    >> Aramco employees in Saudi Arabia. Might still have it. BTW Everclear
    >> is still sold in Penna last I knew.
    >> Allan
    >
    > I still have one myself Allan. They were issued to American,
    > Canadian, and European employees of Aramco before it became Saudi
    > Aramco. full instructions on building stills and the warehouse part
    > numbers of all the stuff needed to build one. Everclear is still sold
    > in Louisiana and Texas to my knowledge.

    Virginia, too, but you need a special license to buy it. They don't
    put it out on the shelves, so most people don't know they carry it. I
    use it to make extracts.

    Pastorio

    Last time I saw Everclear for sale in Minnesota, it was 167 proof. Is
    nothing sacred?

    Um, is this a trick question? I mean I don't want to get into religious
    discussions - that whole sacred thing. Or politics.

    That's why I don't want to think about Cheney being drunk (said he'd had
    "a beer"😉 while "hunting" those tame birds and lawyers. That might be a
    reason why the secret service didn't let anyone (like the investigating
    sheriff deputies) have access to him for 11 hours. Enough time to drink
    a lot of coffee and sober up to his normal unpleasant, grunting self.

    So no talk about religion or politics. A drunk, though, is free meat.

    Pastorio

    Talking about drunks is like what, taking potshots at sitting ducks 🙂

    Your thesis about blood alcohol levels is interesting. I actually
    believed only one beer.
    The papers made light of this all. Not a single paper stressed the
    dangers of getting a stroke from what was reported. There are a lot of
    serious, deadly illnesses that can occur very easily when you irritate
    and rub the heart the wrong way.

    It's all religion and politics. And it's difficult to discuss even
    irrationally. And that's the problem. You can't avoid it but you can't
    thrash it out either. But "we" here are above the roil of boiling
    water. Barely.

  15. Quoted message said:

    Talking about drunks is like what, taking potshots at sitting ducks
    🙂

    It's that shooting ducks in a fish with a barrel or however that goes.

    Quoted message said:

    The papers made light of this all. Not a single paper stressed the
    dangers of getting a stroke from what was reported. There are a lot
    of serious, deadly illnesses that can occur very easily when you
    irritate and rub the heart the wrong way.

    Wanna see the zipper in my chest?

    Quoted message said:

    It's all religion and politics.

    Jesus, if you're not right. Or left.

    Quoted message said:

    And it's difficult to discuss even irrationally. And that's the
    problem. You can't avoid it but you can't thrash it out either. But
    "we" here are above the roil of boiling water. Barely.

    <LOL> Ya think...?

    Pastorio

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bob (this one) said:

    Wanna see the zipper in my chest?

    Please tell me that's not true....... :-(
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  17. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Wanna see the zipper in my chest?

    Please tell me that's not true....... :-(

    MI in '89. Blew up balloons in arteries. That lasted a decade, rather
    than the 5 they said, and then a triple.

    They changed the oil and checked the other fluids while in there.

    I like the zipper better than the alternative.

    Pastorio

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bob (this one) said:
    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Wanna see the zipper in my chest?

    Please tell me that's not true....... :-(

    MI in '89. Blew up balloons in arteries. That lasted a decade, rather
    than the 5 they said, and then a triple.

    They changed the oil and checked the other fluids while in there.

    I like the zipper better than the alternative.

    Pastorio

    That's a point... :-)
    I've seen those surgeries tho', they are aweful!
    You have my sincere empathy.

    You should be good to go for another 20 years at least,
    and now you know how to keep your cholesterol under control?
    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  19. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Wanna see the zipper in my chest?

    Please tell me that's not true....... :-(

    MI in '89. Blew up balloons in arteries. That lasted a decade, rather
    than the 5 they said, and then a triple.

    They changed the oil and checked the other fluids while in there.

    I like the zipper better than the alternative.

    Pastorio

    That's a point... :-)
    I've seen those surgeries tho', they are aweful!
    You have my sincere empathy.

    It was less fun than I was hoping for, but I went home on day three
    after the surgery and healed astonishingly fast.

    I drove to my 4-week checkup in strict contradiction to the doc's
    orders. When I got there, he had a string of residents with him to learn
    from the master. He said, "How'd you get here?" I said, "Drove." He
    said, I told you no driving, no lifting and no sex." I said, "Three out
    of three..."

    He didn't think it was funny. The residents were smirking.

    Later he said, "You look good. Well-healed. You can pretty much resume
    normal life."

    I said, Does that mean drinking, smoking and the thing I like to do with
    the livestock..."

    Not even a tiny smile, but a couple of the residents excused themselves
    and I could hear them howling out in the hall.

    Quoted message said:

    You should be good to go for another 20 years at least,
    and now you know how to keep your cholesterol under control?

    My cholesterol at its highest was 160. Now 105. Trigs wonderful. Heart
    rate grand. Respiration rate, splendid. HDL/LDL ratio textbook. And I'll
    get little twinges for the rest of my life. But it's way better than the
    most obvious alternative.

    It's so bizarre. My numbers were magnificent while I was having a heart
    attack. I should have been in the Olympics instead of that hospital bed.
    We finally came to the conclusion that I chose my parents unwisely.

    So it goes...

    Pastorio

  20. Quoted message said:

    I got word back from the state in one day! about that 200 Proof I
    thought I purchased a long time ago. Apparently I was right. They did
    sell it at one time so my memory is okay, thanks guys for the doubts 🙂
    but now you need a special permit and a reason to purchase it.

    essence of the email I received, minus phone numbers and what not:

    Sorry to say but this product is no longer available to the public.
    The only way this is obtainable is if your are a hospital,Dr.'s
    office, etc...
    And they must apply for a permit to purchase it.
    Special Services Department

    Purifying ethanol to purity is a silly waste of resources if you're
    going to drink it. The process is laborious and expensive. The
    difference between 190 and 200 is not meaningful for consumption, but
    getting out that last 5% of water is not easy. Water and ethanol like
    each other, a lot.

    Drinking concentrations of ethanol higher than you can achieve with
    fermentation (and that includes fortified wines like port) is icky.
    Training your body to accept such w/o retching is training it to accept
    poison. I'll stick with 4-10% beers, or wines that are natural (though
    I'm not really big on wine anyway).

    The reason they restrict the pure [censored] is probably because they figure
    you're using it for something related to illegal drugs or something.

    --Bryan

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